In this episode I talk to Matt Black about writing his own versions of 'The Owl and the Pussy-Cat' by Edward Lear.Matt reflects on when he first heard 'The Owl and the Pussy-Cat' as a child. He then goes on to talk in depth about the task of creating a homage to this 'iconic' piece of work. He discusses the intricacies of the poem - how it uses all sorts of different techniques to make it a memorable piece of work. He throws about the idea of what it means to be a nonsense poem. He reflects on the notion of using landscape as a safe space to explore possibly difficult themes. He talks a little bit about Lear's background and what possibly brought him to write this enigmatic poem. He then goes on to delve into his own prequel and sequel - grouped together as 'The Owl and the Pussy-Cat and the Turtles of Fun'. He talks about the triggering incident that led to him taking on such a task (an encounter with a stuffed owl in a museum's store). He reflects on how in the two different versions of 'The Owl and the Pussy-Cat' he has written the first narrative must lead up to the boat (of the original poem) but the second poem is 'un-moored' from the route-map of the classic work. He can explore all sorts of complicated themes - the break-up of a marriage, infidelity and so on, but still create it within the framework of a 'children's' poem.  He reflects on the qualities of the poetic language itself and the references in the poem to Brid, other animals, and pop references too.  Finally, he talks about performing the work in schools - a 'nonsense poem for a nonsense curriculum'. Matt Black lives in Leamington Spa. His most recent collection is Fishing Dentures Out of Mashed Potato (Upside Down, 2025) which includes poems on various themes, including getting older, looking after elderly parents, the joys of domesticity, lanyards, dogs and knees. This is a fund-raiser for Myton Hospices - £5 per copy - and he is currently available for entertaining readings from the book.  Since being Derbyshire Poet Laureate (2011-2013), he has successfully completed over 25 commissions, with poems on 15 benches, 20 milestones, a large glass panel and in exhibitions and publications. Other recent works include a collection of poems about dogs, Sniffing Lamp-posts by Moonlight (2017), which became an Edinburgh Fringe show, and the tour of his play about floods in Cumbria, The Storm Officer. He is currently Lillington Poet Laureate, Chair of Cubbington and Lillington Environmental Action Now (CLEAN), and a very proud grand-dad.  www.matt-black.co.uk Copies of The Owl and the Pussy-Cat and the Turtles of Fun can be purchased here. You can follow me on X - @cwjoneschris or on Bluesky - @cwjoneschris.bsky.social for more updates on future episodes. This is the last podcast of series two. Look out for updates about series three later in 2025.Thanks for listening!     The Owl and the Pussy-Cat (the Prequel) The Owl and the Pussy-cat went for teaWith a parakeet in the park.Owl said politely, “It doesn’t delight me,This hunting of mice after dark.”   The Cat said “Life in the city is mean;We’re squibbling youth away.Let’s go to the sea. Let’s quit this mad scene.”So they cycled to Brid for the day,The day,The day,So they cycled to Brid for the day.   On arrival in Brid, they met a great squidWith a sailor who told them a taleOf a mermaid and man, who had met in Japan,And lived in the mouth of a whale.“I like it here,” said Owl on the pier,While the Cat, with a grin, went “Miao”.They stayed for a week. They played hide and seek,And the Owl jumped over a cow,A cow,A cow,And the Owl jumped over a cow.   The waves, they were lapping, blue butterflies flapping,“O guys, you should stay for a while.We’ve striped candyflosses, and rides on the hosses.It’s wicked whatever your style.”Said Cat, “Life’s absurd. Let us sail, dear Bird,To the land where the Bong-tree gleams.”In his crocodile coat, Sailor lent them a boat,  And said “Steer by the star of your d