As a serial founder Peter burned out while growing his previous company from 0 to 10 million users. After selling the company he took a year off, and realised that doing nothing didn't help. 'Running is the only thing that is harder than running a business' is what a friend told him at the time. He realised that what he needed was a 2nd goal. Something equally challenging. That's when he discovered trail running. The similarities between endurance athletes & founders are striking. The Trail & Scale Podcast is all about athletes learning from founders, and founders learning from athletes.