Lisa Campbell shares her experiences of preparing for a vaginal birth after two cesareans (VBAC2). She discusses the challenges faced by VBAC moms in Ireland and the importance of feeling empowered and informed about birth choices. Lisa highlights the need for individualized care, support from healthcare providers, and the availability of options like the walking epidural. In this conversation, Tracy and Lisa also discuss the need for change in the Irish maternity system to prioritize women's choices and provide respectful and supportive care.