In this powerful conversation, Chris Kaspar (Founder, Techless) breaks down how phones and platforms were engineered for addiction — and what he’s building instead: Wisephone for adults and Sage Mobile (a full iPhone experience with layered protections) for kids and teens.
We cover:
The foster-care moment that sparked Techless
Why “evil defaults” + the attention economy = anxiety, distraction, burnout
The psychology behind doom-scrolling (variable rewards, sexualised/controversial content, algorithm “dials”)
Designing minimalist tech that still works (maps, messages, curated apps, guardrails)
Kids’ digital dignity, parent playbooks, and school-wide device standards
“Life hours”: 2+ billion hours reclaimed — and the road to 100B
If you create, lead, parent or just want your focus back, this one will hit home.
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Guest links:
👉 Website: https://www.chriskaspar.org👉 Sage Mobile: https://www.sagemobile.com/?srsltid=AfmBOor5H3c9wN8zzr4ZRhhxnRnwq5ykeMC-J0xXTtc_EzyWLq26abBm
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