In episode 152 of the Talk4 Podcast, Louis Skupien welcomes astronaut and former Navy test pilot Susan Kilrain — one of only three women in history to pilot the Space Shuttle.

From flying F-14 Tomcats and serving as a Navy test pilot to conducting two missions aboard the Space Shuttle Columbia, Susan’s journey is filled with grit, leadership, and determination. She opens up about breaking barriers in military aviation, the psychological impact of space travel, and her post-NASA mission to inspire others through public speaking, writing, and STEM outreach.

Susan also shares key leadership lessons learned in flight and space, discusses how to lead in crisis, and offers powerful advice on overcoming fear and self-doubt.

🎧 This episode is a must-listen for aviation lovers, aspiring astronauts, leaders, and anyone chasing ambitious dreams.