Following on from my last show, in this episode I engaged in an impromptu debate with John Hankey, revolving mainly around money and the perception of value. We go deep into the fundamental nature of money, power, and control. At the core, we debate what 'fiat money' truly means and how it affects politics, economics and society at large. We clash over the role of central banking, gold, whether economies should be built on scarcity or on what people actually need, and, crucially, whether you can even separate scarcity from need. But beyond economics, this conversation is about power—who wields it, who benefits from it, and how it shapes the world around us. This one is a real collision of perspectives, and whether you agree, disagree, or find yourself somewhere in between, this debate will push you to think deeper about the very foundations of money, value, and control.   Guest Links John Hankey on Youtube (RealHistoryChannel1): https://www.youtube.com/@RealHistoryChannel1/videos Dark Legacy on Amazon Prime: https://tinyurl.com/3eskxrrm Dark Legacy II on Amazon Prime: https://tinyurl.com/y9kw8trw Breakthrough: Darkroom.film Affiliate Links Surfshark: VPN / Antivirus / Incogni Fountain: https://fountain.fm/jonnyhodl?code=3a917f606b Podcast Website: http://www.stayingfreepod.com/ Links to all platforms: https://linktr.ee/stayingfreepod Telegram: https://t.me/stayingfreepod Host Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonnyhodl Host Nostr: https://tinyurl.com/mr2xk76c Podcast Twitter: https://twitter.com/stayingfreepod Donate to the Podcast: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/stayingfreepod Donate with Bitcoin: https://tippin.me/@jonnyhodl / bc1qvgktg2uurp69cf5xepjhunwhp6skxrf69hmq82 Donate with Lightning: https://tipybit.com/stayingfreepod / ⚡️jonnyhodl@getalby.com Huge thank you to my generous supporters Pim Mark A