On this episode I speak with the American musician and multidisciplinary artist Roberto Carlos Lange, who makes music under the moniker Helado Negro. I first heard Helado Negro on the S-Town podcast, and then really fell in love with his record This Is How You Smile in 2019. Since then there have been two new records: 2021s Far In, which was one of my favourites of that year, and now the excellent Phasor, which came out on February 9th via 4AD.