I had the pleasure of catching up with Ashley Pilcher this morning and look forward to seeing some feedback from you on how you find this episode of the show. Ashley is what I would call a 'shamanic healer'. He is also a Bowen Therapist, and runs regular sound healing baths and spiritually based breath work sessions for groups here in the local area, but also farther afield. Ashley has studied extensively in the shamanic space and walks his path with a depth of respect and trust in spirit that is both refreshing and wonderfully reassuring. You might hear him say "It grates my bones" and it was fun for me to discover exactly what it was that does that to him. Topics like the interconnectedness of life, the importance of spirit in everything we do, what shamanism is, and what it is not were explored. There was some laughter and some travel down conversational side streets as we enjoyed the journey of our conversation with topics like, core and traditional shamanism, cultural theft (not quite the right word, but you'll get what I mean), working with spirit for financial exchange, reciprocity, ritual when working with plant medicine and using the trance state. I particularly enjoyed hearing Ashleys interpretation of the ordinary and non-ordinary. If you'd like to know more about Ashleys work you will find him on Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/AkunaBalanceandFlow/] and Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/akuna_balance_and_flow/] as Akuna Balance and Flow or look out for his events on Humanitix.