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The So Strangely Podcast
Finn Upham
15 episodes
9 months ago
Investigating the how and why of recent research in interdisciplinary Music Science by interviewing researchers from two angles: inside and outside of their area. Every episode, an expert shares their recommendation for a recent publication and we call up the PI to discuss how the research went and what the results mean for music and science. Note: This podcast is tailored for people into music and science, academics and students in the field rather than the general public.
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Investigating the how and why of recent research in interdisciplinary Music Science by interviewing researchers from two angles: inside and outside of their area. Every episode, an expert shares their recommendation for a recent publication and we call up the PI to discuss how the research went and what the results mean for music and science. Note: This podcast is tailored for people into music and science, academics and students in the field rather than the general public.
Show more...
Life Sciences
Music,
Music Commentary,
Science,
Social Sciences
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Episode 4: Development and Teleomusicality with Mariusz Kozak and guest Andrea Schiavio
The So Strangely Podcast
58 minutes 37 seconds
7 years ago
Episode 4: Development and Teleomusicality with Mariusz Kozak and guest Andrea Schiavio
Music Theorist Mariusz Kozak recommends “When the Sound Becomes the Goal. 4E Cognition and Teleomusicality in Early Infancy” by Andrea Schiavio, Dylan van der Schyff, Silke Kruse-Weber and Renee Timmers, published in Frontiers in Psychology. Marius and Finn interview Andrea about this framing of early musical development and implications of an embodied, embedded, extended and enactive approach to cognitive science.
Time Stamps

[0:00:10] Intro with Mariusz
[0:11:16] Interview: Origins and the 4 Es
[0:21:40] Interview: Attention, Intention, and Mirror Neurons
[0:32:59] Interview: Sound Goals and Musical Actions
[0:40:28] Interview: Reception of Theory
[0:53:03] Closing with Mariusz

Show notes

Recommended article:

Schiavio, A., van der Schyff, D., Kruse-Weber, S., & Timmers, R. (2017). When the Sound Becomes the Goal. 4E Cognition and Teleomusicality in Early Infancy. Frontiers in psychology, 8, 1585.


Interviewee: Dr. Andrea Schiavio, Postdoctoral Researcher at University of Graz
Co-host: Prof. Mariusz Kozak, Assistant Professor of Music at Columbia University
Works cited in the discussion:

Chemero, A. (2011). Radical embodied cognitive science. MIT press.
Craighero, L., Leo, I., Umilta, C., and Simion, F. (2011). Newborns’ preference for goal-directed actions. Cognition, 20, 26–32. doi: 10.1016/j.cognition.2011 02.011
D’Ausilio, A. (2007). The role of the mirror system in mapping complex sounds into actions. The Journal of Neuroscience, 27, 5847–5848. doi:10.1523/JNEUROSCI.0979-07.2007
D’Ausilio, A. (2009). Mirror-like mechanisms and music. The Scientific World Journal, 9, 1415–1422. doi:10.1100/tsw.2009.160
Gerson, S. A., Bekkering, H., and Hunnius, S. (2015a). Short-term motor training, but not observational training, alters neurocognitive mechanisms of action processing in infancy. Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience, 27, 1207–1214. doi: 10.1162/jocn_a_00774
Haslinger, B., Erhard, P., Altenmüller, E., Schroeder, U., Boecker, H., & Ceballos-Baumann, A. O. (2005). Transmodal sensorimotor networks during action observation in professional pianists. Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience, 17, 282–293. doi:10.1162/0898929053124893
Haueisen, J., & Knösche, T. R. (2001). Involuntary motor activity in pianists evoked by music perception. Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience, 13, 786–792. doi:10.1162/08989290152541449
Hickok-Gallese debate at NYU (2103) Do Mirror Neurons Explain Anything?
Kohler, E., Keysers, C., Umiltà, M. A., Fogassi, L., Gallese, V., and Rizzolatti, G. (2002). Hearing sounds, understanding actions: action representation in mirror neurons. Science, 297, 846–848. doi: 10.1126/science.1070311
Menary, R. (2010). Introduction to the special issue on 4E cognition. Phenomenology and the Cognitive Sciences, 9, 459–463.
Mukamel R., Ekstrom A.D., Kaplan J., Iacoboni M., Fried I., Single-Neuron Responses in Humans during Execution and Observation of Actions. Current Biology, vol. 20, nº 8.
Novembre, G., Ticini, L. F., Schütz-Bosbach, S., & Keller, P. E. (2014). Motor simulation and the coordination of joint actions in real time. Social Cognitive and Affective Neuroscience, 9, 1062–1068. doi: 10.1093/scan/nst086
Overy, K., and Molnar-Szakacs, I. (2009). Being together in time: musical experience and the mirror neuron system. Music Perception, 26, 489–504. doi: 10.1525/mp.2009.26.5.489
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The So Strangely Podcast
Investigating the how and why of recent research in interdisciplinary Music Science by interviewing researchers from two angles: inside and outside of their area. Every episode, an expert shares their recommendation for a recent publication and we call up the PI to discuss how the research went and what the results mean for music and science. Note: This podcast is tailored for people into music and science, academics and students in the field rather than the general public.