In this conversation, Sabira Lakhani and Garr Punnett discuss the Heritage Group and its venture capital arm, HG Ventures, focusing on their approach to investing in the circular economy. They explore the challenges and opportunities within this space, emphasizing the importance of relationships, storytelling, and transparency in venture capital. The discussion also highlights the need for innovation, the role of software in circular solutions, and the balance between short-term and long-term goals in investment strategies. Ultimately, the conversation conveys a sense of optimism about the future of circular economy investments and the potential for systemic change.