What if the problem in your firm isn’t policy… it’s apathy?In this episode we were joined by Nicole Rose. Ex-Big Law employment lawyer turned global compliance program builder who shows how creativity, behaviour science, and tiny daily habits can transform “tick-the-box” into cultures that actually speak up.We cover: early big-firm days in London and the moment Nicole realised she was sketching clients instead of taking notes; shifting into employment law and then compliance/financial crime; why middle management is the real leverage point; the “walk before you run” method for moving people from silence to speaking up; and a simple nudge that took hand-washing compliance from ~15% to ~90%. We also talk self-employment, pricing for long-term value, and why the Self-Employed Lawyers League is building a big-firm impact without needing to become one.Chapters00:00 Intro + the “I drew the client instead of notes” moment05:03 Creativity is not a luxury in law—it’s essential to outcomes08:10 Moving into employment law and working with high-stakes individuals10:40 Into compliance/financial crime; seeing policy vs behaviour up close15:05 Australia pivot: art school, identity shift, and a new direction18:10 Rio Tinto: turning 45-minute trainings into 3-minute animations20:20 Building child-safety culture at Uniting Church; influence over authority25:10 Apathy over opposition: why “not my job” is the true risk30:05 Speaking different languages across the org; surprising learners on the floor35:20 The forgotten power of middle management in compliance rollouts37:20 Lofty’s story on apathy and justice; moving people to act40:05 “Walk before you run”: micro-behaviours that unlock speaking up45:05 The nudge that set a new baseline (hand-washing board)48:00 Why this work changes lives—well beyond the policy binder50:15 Nicole on the League: big-firm effect without becoming one51:30 How to reach Nicole (site, email, LinkedIn, podcast)Guest links• Website: untoldcompliance.com/frame-training-method-workshops/• Email: nicole@untoldcompliance.com• Book: untoldcompliance.com/told-book/• LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicolerose2018/• Search for: The Eight Mindsets PodcastShow notes & resources• Behaviour change in compliance: small daily actions over one big memo• Why middle managers are the true “line one” multipliers• Pricing compliance/legal projects for long-term value (not billable-hour bursts)• The League model: independent lawyers, collective firepower & a rising tide lifting all boatsWork with us and join the League• thesell.life/start-here