In this episode of The Sacred Speaks, host Dr. John W. Price sits down with pioneering therapist and author Terry Real, whose decades of work have redefined how we understand men, relationships, and emotional life.
Nearly thirty years after the release of his groundbreaking book I Don’t Want to Talk About It: Overcoming the Secret Legacy of Male Depression, Terry reflects on the evolution of men’s inner worlds, the cultural forces that still shape them, and the courageous work required to heal.
This conversation moves between the personal and the collective—between the suffering of individual men and the systems that taught them to suffer silently. Together, John and Terry explore how patriarchy has halved both men and women, severing men from their emotional lives, and how healing requires a return to connection, empathy, and embodied relational practice.
Through heartfelt stories, clinical insight, and grounded wisdom, Terry calls us toward a new model of masculinity—one rooted not in dominance or disconnection but in courage, accountability, and love.
This episode is an invitation to anyone longing to understand the hidden pain of men and the pathways toward relational wholeness.
Key Themes
-Male depression as a covert epidemic—often masked by addiction, anger, or withdrawal rather than sadness.
-How patriarchy teaches men to fear vulnerability and equate worth with production, control, and performance.
-The intergenerational inheritance of silence and shame between fathers and sons.
-Why true intimacy depends on empathy, humility, and repair—not dominance or emotional avoidance.
-The call for a new relational culture that honors interdependence and shared healing.
Time Stamps
00:00 – Introduction & framing the conversation
03:00 – Revisiting I Don’t Want to Talk About It nearly 30 years later
06:30 – How patriarchy harms men and the women who love them
10:45 – Understanding covert male depression
16:20 – The producer model: when net worth becomes self-worth
22:10 – Loneliness and the erosion of male friendship
29:40 – Family systems, shame, and the father wound
37:15 – Relational Life Therapy: a model for repair
44:00 – Vulnerability as strength
50:30 – Healing through accountability and compassion
58:00 – The future of masculinity and relational wholeness
Connect with Terry Real
Explore Terry’s courses and trainings in Relational Life Therapy (RLT) for both professionals and general audiences:
🌐 terryreal.com
🌐 relationallife.com
Connect with Dr. John W. Price
Website: https://drjohnwprice.com
Podcast: https://thesacredspeaks.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drjohnwprice/
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In this episode of The Sacred Speaks, host Dr. John W. Price sits down with pioneering therapist and author Terry Real, whose decades of work have redefined how we understand men, relationships, and emotional life.
Nearly thirty years after the release of his groundbreaking book I Don’t Want to Talk About It: Overcoming the Secret Legacy of Male Depression, Terry reflects on the evolution of men’s inner worlds, the cultural forces that still shape them, and the courageous work required to heal.
This conversation moves between the personal and the collective—between the suffering of individual men and the systems that taught them to suffer silently. Together, John and Terry explore how patriarchy has halved both men and women, severing men from their emotional lives, and how healing requires a return to connection, empathy, and embodied relational practice.
Through heartfelt stories, clinical insight, and grounded wisdom, Terry calls us toward a new model of masculinity—one rooted not in dominance or disconnection but in courage, accountability, and love.
This episode is an invitation to anyone longing to understand the hidden pain of men and the pathways toward relational wholeness.
Key Themes
-Male depression as a covert epidemic—often masked by addiction, anger, or withdrawal rather than sadness.
-How patriarchy teaches men to fear vulnerability and equate worth with production, control, and performance.
-The intergenerational inheritance of silence and shame between fathers and sons.
-Why true intimacy depends on empathy, humility, and repair—not dominance or emotional avoidance.
-The call for a new relational culture that honors interdependence and shared healing.
Time Stamps
00:00 – Introduction & framing the conversation
03:00 – Revisiting I Don’t Want to Talk About It nearly 30 years later
06:30 – How patriarchy harms men and the women who love them
10:45 – Understanding covert male depression
16:20 – The producer model: when net worth becomes self-worth
22:10 – Loneliness and the erosion of male friendship
29:40 – Family systems, shame, and the father wound
37:15 – Relational Life Therapy: a model for repair
44:00 – Vulnerability as strength
50:30 – Healing through accountability and compassion
58:00 – The future of masculinity and relational wholeness
Connect with Terry Real
Explore Terry’s courses and trainings in Relational Life Therapy (RLT) for both professionals and general audiences:
🌐 terryreal.com
🌐 relationallife.com
Connect with Dr. John W. Price
Website: https://drjohnwprice.com
Podcast: https://thesacredspeaks.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drjohnwprice/
If this conversation resonates, please like, share, and subscribe to The Sacred Speaks to support these ongoing dialogues at the crossroads of psyche, soul, and the sacred.
113: Barry Taylor: Music, Mysticism, and Modernity
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1 hour 57 minutes 41 seconds
1 year ago
113: Barry Taylor: Music, Mysticism, and Modernity
Interview begins @ 3:11
In this episode, I sit down with Barry Taylor to explore the intersections of rock 'n' roll, counterculture, and spirituality. Barry shares his early experiences in the vibrant world of music and discusses how these experiences opened up a new language for understanding the invisible aspects of our world.
Highlights of this episode include:
• Music as a Gateway: Barry and I explore how music acts as a symbolic language that helps articulate the invisible, shaping our perception of the mystical.
• The Famous Quote Explained: Barry elucidates the quote famously referenced by Pete Holmes, discussing how the invisible world is like a blanket we lay to give shape to what we cannot see.
• Forensic Faith and Fluid Reality: We dive into the challenges of making spirituality overly concrete and discuss the benefits of embracing the fluid nature of reality.
• Religion as Interpretive Framework: Barry articulates how religion should be approached as a framework for interpreting reality, rather than a rigid truth.
• Transgression and Kindness: We discuss how simple acts of kindness can be transgressive in a culture that often overlooks them.
• Culture, Tattoos, and Taboos: We examine how tattoos and fashion challenge cultural norms and serve as powerful expressions of individual identity.
• The Digital as Divine: Barry makes a compelling argument that our technological advancements have taken on a divine-like role in society, shaping our responses to societal challenges and the concept of otherness.
Closing Thoughts: As we wrap up, Barry offers insights into the future role of technology in spirituality and the potential illusions of growth in our digital age.
Bio:
Barry Taylor lives and works in London, having returned to the U.K. after many years in Los Angeles. He has committed his life to following his curiosities, which have taken many forms including music, fashion, art, religion, and academia. His interests primarily lie in the areas of religion, theology, and philosophy, particularly exploring how cultural shifts reshape our understanding of what it means to be human, our interactions with others, and our grappling with fundamental questions about human existence and ultimate meaning. His wide variety of interests currently converge around the impact of technology on society and culture. Taylor teaches for an online graduate platform, the Global Centre for Advanced Studies (GCAS), and writes extensively on his Patreon page (patreon.com/barrytaylor). He also engages with the complexities of contemporary life and shares his insights on Instagram (@ukbloke).
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In this episode of The Sacred Speaks, host Dr. John W. Price sits down with pioneering therapist and author Terry Real, whose decades of work have redefined how we understand men, relationships, and emotional life.
Nearly thirty years after the release of his groundbreaking book I Don’t Want to Talk About It: Overcoming the Secret Legacy of Male Depression, Terry reflects on the evolution of men’s inner worlds, the cultural forces that still shape them, and the courageous work required to heal.
This conversation moves between the personal and the collective—between the suffering of individual men and the systems that taught them to suffer silently. Together, John and Terry explore how patriarchy has halved both men and women, severing men from their emotional lives, and how healing requires a return to connection, empathy, and embodied relational practice.
Through heartfelt stories, clinical insight, and grounded wisdom, Terry calls us toward a new model of masculinity—one rooted not in dominance or disconnection but in courage, accountability, and love.
This episode is an invitation to anyone longing to understand the hidden pain of men and the pathways toward relational wholeness.
Key Themes
-Male depression as a covert epidemic—often masked by addiction, anger, or withdrawal rather than sadness.
-How patriarchy teaches men to fear vulnerability and equate worth with production, control, and performance.
-The intergenerational inheritance of silence and shame between fathers and sons.
-Why true intimacy depends on empathy, humility, and repair—not dominance or emotional avoidance.
-The call for a new relational culture that honors interdependence and shared healing.
Time Stamps
00:00 – Introduction & framing the conversation
03:00 – Revisiting I Don’t Want to Talk About It nearly 30 years later
06:30 – How patriarchy harms men and the women who love them
10:45 – Understanding covert male depression
16:20 – The producer model: when net worth becomes self-worth
22:10 – Loneliness and the erosion of male friendship
29:40 – Family systems, shame, and the father wound
37:15 – Relational Life Therapy: a model for repair
44:00 – Vulnerability as strength
50:30 – Healing through accountability and compassion
58:00 – The future of masculinity and relational wholeness
Connect with Terry Real
Explore Terry’s courses and trainings in Relational Life Therapy (RLT) for both professionals and general audiences:
🌐 terryreal.com
🌐 relationallife.com
Connect with Dr. John W. Price
Website: https://drjohnwprice.com
Podcast: https://thesacredspeaks.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drjohnwprice/
If this conversation resonates, please like, share, and subscribe to The Sacred Speaks to support these ongoing dialogues at the crossroads of psyche, soul, and the sacred.
