In this episode of the Royal College of Art Podcast, host Benji Jeffrey delves into the fascinating world of public toilets with guests Gail Ramster and Professor Jo-Anne Bichard. As part of the RCA's Helen Hamlyn Centre for Design, they lead the Public Toilet Research Unit, exploring the crucial intersection of design, inclusivity, and public spaces.

From the challenges of finding a decent public toilet to the broader implications on business and public life, Gail and Jo-Anne share insights into their research and experiences.

The conversation spans topics like:

- the neglected design of public toilets

- the cultural significance of these spaces

- policy challenges hindering the improvement of public loos

Gail and Jo-Anne discuss the serious and humorous sides of their work, emphasising the need to break the taboo around loos and integrate them into broader discussions on urban design and accessibility.

Join us for a thought-provoking discussion on why toilets matter, how they impact our daily lives, and the quest for 'Loo-topia'—perfect public toilets for everyone.

Learn more on the RCA's website

Find out more about the research and activity mentioned in the episode:

• Toilets Innovation and New Knowledge Exchange (TINKLE)
• The Great British Public Toilet Map
• Public Toilets Research Unit
• The Helen Hamlyn Centre for Design (HHCD)