Season 7, Episode 10. — Kelly Ann Shaw, Partner at Akin Gump.
I first met Kelly Ann when I was beginning my own work in international trade. At the time, she was my counterpart in the U.S. Delegation, handling disputes and other complex issues. Since then, her career has soared—spanning the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, the U.S. House of Representatives, and even the White House.
We recently reconnected during the WTO Public Forum in Geneva, a gathering of some of the most influential thinkers, policymakers, and practitioners in the field of trade. There, I had the opportunity to sit down with Kelly Ann to discuss her career, her perspectives on the current state of international trade, and what the future may hold. With her wealth of experience and unique vantage point, she brings insights you won’t want to miss.
Beyond her impressive résumé, Kelly Ann is also a warm and engaging conversationalist, with a fascinating life story that makes this conversation both thoughtful and enjoyable.
So, without further ado, here’s my conversation with Kelly Ann.
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Musical theme by Hugo Torres.
Featuring:
Kelly Ann Shaw
https://www.akingump.com/en/lawyers-advisors/kelly-ann-shaw
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-ann-shaw-7312555/
https://www.csis.org/people/kelly-ann-shaw
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Some of our guests include Dr. Willy Mutunga (former Chief Justice Kenya), Dr. Chang-fa Lo (former Constitutional Court Justice), Dr. Grethel Aguilar (DG of IUCN), Dr. Peter Van den Bossche (fmr. Chairman of the Appellate Body WTO), Jesus Seade (Undersecretary for North America Mexico's MFA), Amb. Angel Villalobos (Mexico to WTO), Petros Mavoridis (Columbia Law School & CAS Arbitrator), Johanna Hill (DDG WTO), Edward Kwakwa (ADG at WIPO), Howard Stupp (two-time Pan American gold medalist & fmr. Director of Legal Afrs. at IOC), Marco Aleman (ADG at WIPO), David Bisbee (DPR Mission of US to WTO), Lenka Nahlovska (Secretary Czech Arbitration Court), Barbara Ramos (Chief Research & Strategies ITC), Ralph Ossa (Chief Economist WTO), David Zonana (filmmaker), Amb. James Baxter (Australia to WTO), Amb. Nadia B. Theodore (Canada to WTO), Anna Kazejak (filmmaker), Andreas Koefoed (filmmaker), and Andres Veiel (filmmaker).
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Season 7, Episode 10. — Kelly Ann Shaw, Partner at Akin Gump.
I first met Kelly Ann when I was beginning my own work in international trade. At the time, she was my counterpart in the U.S. Delegation, handling disputes and other complex issues. Since then, her career has soared—spanning the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, the U.S. House of Representatives, and even the White House.
We recently reconnected during the WTO Public Forum in Geneva, a gathering of some of the most influential thinkers, policymakers, and practitioners in the field of trade. There, I had the opportunity to sit down with Kelly Ann to discuss her career, her perspectives on the current state of international trade, and what the future may hold. With her wealth of experience and unique vantage point, she brings insights you won’t want to miss.
Beyond her impressive résumé, Kelly Ann is also a warm and engaging conversationalist, with a fascinating life story that makes this conversation both thoughtful and enjoyable.
So, without further ado, here’s my conversation with Kelly Ann.
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The views, thoughts, and opinions shared in the conversation belong to the individuals sharing them and do not necessarily represent the views of their employers.
Musical theme by Hugo Torres.
Featuring:
Kelly Ann Shaw
https://www.akingump.com/en/lawyers-advisors/kelly-ann-shaw
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-ann-shaw-7312555/
https://www.csis.org/people/kelly-ann-shaw
Host:
Rodolfo Rivas
www.linkedin.com/in/rivasrodolfo/
rodolforivas.com/
rodolforivasproject.com/
www.imdb.com/name/nm10789558/
works.bepress.com/rivas_rodolfo/
rivasrod.medium.com/
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsBy…fm?per_id=1665778
X: @rivasrod
About The Rodolfo Rivas Project:
Join me in a quest for the perfect conversation. Chronicling International Geneva and beyond. Currently in season seven and going strong!
Our guests are talented individuals across various fields (lawyers, diplomats, entrepreneurs, academics, filmmakers, etc.). Ranked in the top 10% of podcasts in the world.
Some of our guests include Dr. Willy Mutunga (former Chief Justice Kenya), Dr. Chang-fa Lo (former Constitutional Court Justice), Dr. Grethel Aguilar (DG of IUCN), Dr. Peter Van den Bossche (fmr. Chairman of the Appellate Body WTO), Jesus Seade (Undersecretary for North America Mexico's MFA), Amb. Angel Villalobos (Mexico to WTO), Petros Mavoridis (Columbia Law School & CAS Arbitrator), Johanna Hill (DDG WTO), Edward Kwakwa (ADG at WIPO), Howard Stupp (two-time Pan American gold medalist & fmr. Director of Legal Afrs. at IOC), Marco Aleman (ADG at WIPO), David Bisbee (DPR Mission of US to WTO), Lenka Nahlovska (Secretary Czech Arbitration Court), Barbara Ramos (Chief Research & Strategies ITC), Ralph Ossa (Chief Economist WTO), David Zonana (filmmaker), Amb. James Baxter (Australia to WTO), Amb. Nadia B. Theodore (Canada to WTO), Anna Kazejak (filmmaker), Andreas Koefoed (filmmaker), and Andres Veiel (filmmaker).
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Season 7, Episode 5. Ambassador Gustavo Lunazzi, Argentine Ambassador to Switzerland and the Principality of Liechtenstein & Permanent Representative to the WTO.
Ambassador Lunazzi, a consummate diplomat with a long career representing Argentina in the Multilateral Trading System, brings unique insights from his experience in the dispute settlement system.
I had heard nothing but good things about him from close friends, and still, I was impressed by his candidness, openness, and overall warmth.
We talked about how he got into trade, which had to do with luck, some lessons he learned through his various postings and representing Argentina in various dispute settlement processes. He also talks about how things have changed in the WTO over the years. We also discussed his current dual role, which includes serving as Argentina's ambassador to Switzerland and the Principality of Liechtenstein, and as Permanent Representative to the WTO.
Even though he has a very busy schedule, he was gracious enough to meet with me and have a thoughtful and delightful conversation.
Take a listen!
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This is me talking to Ambassador Gustavo Lunazzi.
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Amb. Gustavo Lunazzi
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https://esuiz.cancilleria.gob.ar/es/contacto-sede
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X: @ArgenSuiza_
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Rodolfo Rivas
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X: @rivasrod
About The Rodolfo Rivas Project:
Join me in a quest for the perfect conversation. Chronicling International Geneva and beyond. Currently in season seven and going strong!
Our guests are talented individuals across various fields (lawyers, diplomats, entrepreneurs, academics, filmmakers, etc.). Ranked in the top 10% of podcasts in the world.
Some of our guests include Dr. Willy Mutunga (former Chief Justice Kenya), Dr. Chang-fa Lo (former Constitutional Court Justice), Dr. Grethel Aguilar (DG of IUCN), Dr. Peter Van den Bossche (fmr. Chairman of the Appellate Body WTO), Jesus Seade (Undersecretary for North America Mexico's MFA), Amb. Angel Villalobos (Mexico to WTO), Petros Mavoridis (Columbia Law School & CAS Arbitrator), Johanna Hill (DDG WTO), Edward Kwakwa (ADG at WIPO), Howard Stupp (two-time Pan American gold medalist & fmr. Director of Legal Afrs. at IOC), Marco Aleman (ADG at WIPO), David Bisbee (DPR Mission of US to WTO), Lenka Nahlovska (Secretary Czech Arbitration Court), Barbara Ramos (Chief Research & Strategies ITC), Ralph Ossa (Chief Economist WTO), David Zonana (filmmaker), Amb. James Baxter (Australia to WTO), Amb. Nadia B. Theodore (Canada to WTO), Anna Kazejak (filmmaker), Andreas Koefoed (filmmaker), and Andres Veiel (filmmaker).
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Season 7, Episode 10. — Kelly Ann Shaw, Partner at Akin Gump.
I first met Kelly Ann when I was beginning my own work in international trade. At the time, she was my counterpart in the U.S. Delegation, handling disputes and other complex issues. Since then, her career has soared—spanning the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, the U.S. House of Representatives, and even the White House.
We recently reconnected during the WTO Public Forum in Geneva, a gathering of some of the most influential thinkers, policymakers, and practitioners in the field of trade. There, I had the opportunity to sit down with Kelly Ann to discuss her career, her perspectives on the current state of international trade, and what the future may hold. With her wealth of experience and unique vantage point, she brings insights you won’t want to miss.
Beyond her impressive résumé, Kelly Ann is also a warm and engaging conversationalist, with a fascinating life story that makes this conversation both thoughtful and enjoyable.
So, without further ado, here’s my conversation with Kelly Ann.
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The views, thoughts, and opinions shared in the conversation belong to the individuals sharing them and do not necessarily represent the views of their employers.
Musical theme by Hugo Torres.
Featuring:
Kelly Ann Shaw
https://www.akingump.com/en/lawyers-advisors/kelly-ann-shaw
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-ann-shaw-7312555/
https://www.csis.org/people/kelly-ann-shaw
Host:
Rodolfo Rivas
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rodolforivas.com/
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works.bepress.com/rivas_rodolfo/
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papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsBy…fm?per_id=1665778
X: @rivasrod
About The Rodolfo Rivas Project:
Join me in a quest for the perfect conversation. Chronicling International Geneva and beyond. Currently in season seven and going strong!
Our guests are talented individuals across various fields (lawyers, diplomats, entrepreneurs, academics, filmmakers, etc.). Ranked in the top 10% of podcasts in the world.
Some of our guests include Dr. Willy Mutunga (former Chief Justice Kenya), Dr. Chang-fa Lo (former Constitutional Court Justice), Dr. Grethel Aguilar (DG of IUCN), Dr. Peter Van den Bossche (fmr. Chairman of the Appellate Body WTO), Jesus Seade (Undersecretary for North America Mexico's MFA), Amb. Angel Villalobos (Mexico to WTO), Petros Mavoridis (Columbia Law School & CAS Arbitrator), Johanna Hill (DDG WTO), Edward Kwakwa (ADG at WIPO), Howard Stupp (two-time Pan American gold medalist & fmr. Director of Legal Afrs. at IOC), Marco Aleman (ADG at WIPO), David Bisbee (DPR Mission of US to WTO), Lenka Nahlovska (Secretary Czech Arbitration Court), Barbara Ramos (Chief Research & Strategies ITC), Ralph Ossa (Chief Economist WTO), David Zonana (filmmaker), Amb. James Baxter (Australia to WTO), Amb. Nadia B. Theodore (Canada to WTO), Anna Kazejak (filmmaker), Andreas Koefoed (filmmaker), and Andres Veiel (filmmaker).
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