In this incredibly powerful conversation, Relate Pod host, Livi Niyo sits down with Bishop Zac, a cherished friend, mentor and father in love, whose profound awareness of his own humanity is truly astounding. He grants us all permission to acknowledge our fallibility, reminding us that even with our imperfections, the divine is actively at work in and through us.

Bishop Zak bravely shares his personal story of failure and depression after being fired from a job—a raw and honest account that will resonate deeply. It's a vital reminder that struggles are an inherent part of the human experience, regardless of our roles or perceived strengths.

His insights powerfully underscore the vital role of community in navigating life's most challenging moments. The support, understanding, and shared burden that a true community offers simply cannot be overstated.