In this episode, I’m meeting with Kevin Bayuk, co-founder of the Urban Permaculture Institute San Francisco (UPISF). They strive to make permaculture design relevant and accessible to people living in cities for individual and community resilience. We’re talking about how to create resilient communities in the time of climate chaos, the history and principles of permaculture, how UPISF is making permaculture more accessible to everyone, remembering ourselves as nature through promoting eco-literacy and the distorted paradox of our current food system and everything we can do to change it. Host is Elise Johanson. For updates follow Elise Vega.