In this episode, Heshan and Sebastian tackle the very serious topic of what to do when our source of income is gone.  Sebastian discusses how to continue building soft skills and to keep self actualizing yourself,  Heshan discusses alternative career paths and warns not to undersell your skills and yourself.  Conversation leads to classic menu items; do they still belong on the menu and will the Club Sandwich still exist in the future,  We end finally with copper pots. Are they worth all that money or should you save that available income.