In this episode, we host Jens Holeczek, the leader of the German giroAPI project to discuss this initiative and its differentiation from SPAA. The conversation explores the broader scope of giroAPI, its current status, and the commercial model that underpins it. We also compare the governance structures of giroAPI and SPAA, emphasizing the need for collaboration. The episode concludes with reflections on the future of these initiatives and the importance of their harmonization and convergence.