Host TJ Null returns this week with an episode featuring two special guests: Jim O’Gorman and Dave Kennedy! Jim O’Gorman is the Chief Content and Strategy Officer for OffSec and has been in the information security world for more than a decade. Dave Kennedy, CEO and Founder of TrustedSec, has presented at conferences such as Defcon and Blackhat. Together, Jim and Dave wrote Metasploit: The Penetration Tester's Guide and collaborated on ideas for the Mr. Robot TV Show. They begin the episode by sharing what got them into the information security field and how they met for the first time. Then, they disclose which resources they used to learn more about pentesting. Dave shares how attending events like DefCon and BlackHat gave him indispensable knowledge when he was laying the foundation for his career. Jim and Dave lastly share tips they have for students when they’re stuck on a challenge, as well as what they enoy doing outside of the infosec world. Enjoy!