In this conversation, Steve and Greg delve into the fascinating world of grimoires, exploring their historical significance, their portrayal in modern media, and the complex relationship between magic and religion. They discuss various TV shows that feature grimoires, the dark implications of summoning rituals, and the power dynamics between the church and magical texts. The conversation also touches on the nature of belief and the allure of ancient knowledge, culminating in a thought-provoking dialogue about the intersection of magic, faith, and human desire. In this engaging conversation, Greg and Steve delve into a variety of topics ranging from the intersection of sex and spirituality to the historical narratives surrounding inventions. They explore the concept of discovery versus invention, the fictional yet impactful Necromonicon, and the cultural significance of grimoires across different societies. The discussion also touches on the paradoxes of time travel, the mystique of ninjas, and the resurgence of interest in magical practices in modern society. Throughout the dialogue, they emphasize the power of words and beliefs, leaving listeners with thought-provoking insights.