In her book, "Proof of Miracles" World-renowned healer and medium Debra Martin takes people to places that most people think are unattainable. Her inspirational life story demonstrates how experiences such as suicide, the loss of loved ones, divorce, and near death experiences transformed her into the healer and medium she is today. After being called on by God to a life of healing and giving much-needed hope to others, Debra accepted her divine mission and has helped thousands worldwide heal spiritually, emotionally, and physically. These are true stories that go beyond our dimension and understanding, showing us that our greatest challenges and apparent failures can lead to incredible accomplishments and triumphs.  Debra Martin is a lab-certified research medium. Her skills have been meticulously documented by the scientific community, most notably by Dr. Gary Schwartz (author of The Afterlife Experiments) and Dr. Julie Beischel (director of the Windbridge Research Center). Her abilities have been featured in numerous media outlets.

Visit her at: Website: goldenmiracles.com

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00:00:02.340] - Pat Sheveland, Host

Hello there. Welcome, welcome. You have come to the Healing Family Grief. And Deborah Martin here. And this is part two. Part one was talking about another book, but now we are going to be talking to her most recent book, I believe it is. Is that correct, Deborah?

[00:00:34.500] - Debra Martin, Guest

Correct, yes.

[00:00:35.790] - Pat Sheveland, Host

So what I would like to do is just read a little bit about the book, and then we are just going to dive right in and talk about the book, talk more about what Deborah does. She's just the most amazing individual. So I can't wait to share this with everybody. Welcome, Deborah.

[00:00:54.410] - Debra Martin, Guest

I'm so grateful to be here again. Our conversations, if we weren't on Zoom, we'd probably last all day.

[00:01:01.660] - Pat Sheveland, Host

Absolutely. Okay. So first of all, Deborah is a lab certified research medium. Her skills have been meticulously documented by the scientific community, most notably by Dr. Gary Swarts. He is the author of the Afterlife Experiments, and Dr. Julie special, director of the Wind Bridge Research Center. And so her abilities have been featured in numerous media outlets. And she just has so many amazing things going on. I'm going to have her contact information in our show notes below the video, but you can visit her at www.globalmiracles. Com. Now, we're going to be talking about this book and probably so much more, but she has a very great message to share with all of us. And the book is Doctor's Faith and Courage. So I'm just going to read a little bit about the jacket, what we have in the back of the book. When Deborah Martin, a renowned healer and medium, learned that she had cancer, she began a journey through one of the hardest challenges of her life. Deborah shares how she faced the fears that rose out of the debilitating treatments, as we can all imagine, and the doubts that tried to overcome her as she fought for the health of her body and her soul.

[00:02:24.110] - Pat Sheveland, Host

So she's going to talk more about this book here. I am just super, super beyond super excited to talk to you. And I know I have some questions prepared, but I just feel like I just want to have a conversation with you. Great. How's that?

[00:02:40.920] - Debra Martin, Guest

That's great.

[00:02:42.070] - Pat Sheveland, Host

So Deborah, just let's first start out about the story that's really behind the book.

[00:02:50.540] - Debra Martin, Guest

Right. So when I started writing this book, I had cancer. I didn't know what my outcome was going to be. So I just trusted spirit. They told me to write this book. And now I look at the book and I don't want people to think it's just for cancer. It's for anything that you're dealing with, any health issue. In this book, I wrote every prayer that God gave me so that they can use it as well. So it holds a lot of healing and messages and how to cope through these difficult times because when you're faced with something like that, no one thinks that they're going to hear those words, that you have something. And those words are so powerful because when somebody says that you own it, I have. And I can remember even trying to say it to my children, I couldn't get the words out. And they're like, what? Because I wanted to be very careful that I wasn't owning it, right? But I knew I had to share it. So I ended up sharing it with very few limited people because I didn't want the message to be, did you hear what Deborah Martin has?

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Because that holds so much energy. And so I kept it to a very tight, small group that I felt, okay, this is really between me and God here. And that's when writing the book became almost like a treasure, but it also became a goal. And I tell anyone that's going through a difficult time to set goals, even if it's like every week. I set goals. And those are what helped me get through each week. Okay, I made another week. And so goals are really, really important and they're powerful, but they're uplifting because you know, Wow, I did it. I did this. I made it through this. So that's why I wrote the book, but also to give people hope. It's called Doctor's Faith and Courage because we are the courage. We have so much courage within us, more than what we know. And that's what I discovered. And doctors, when I was a healer, do I go to a doctor? What will my peers think? You're a healer. How could you go to a doctor? Well, I had no choice. I felt my children were saying, You have to do this. You're already at stage 4.

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And I thought, Well, let me ask God. And God also helps these doctors do the abilities that they do. And so I learned that we need to use every tool in our toolbox. It's not just the doctors. It's just not just my courage, but it's my faith, too. And when I combine them all with the lessons that I teach you in this book, it's so profound and so undeniable.

[00:05:46.360] - Pat Sheveland, Host

Wow. As a registered nurse by background, so I certainly have had all of that clinical training in Western medicine. And as a Qigong practitioner, which is the Eastern healing ourselves and knowing that we were born a healer and marrying that up and then bringing in that spiritual connection. And that it's like the trifecta, right?

[00:06:14.260] - Debra Martin, Guest

That's the thing in spirit.

[00:06:16.090] - Pat Sheveland, Host

Right. Spirit is there. And I would imagine that some people because you have had a great... What do I want to say? I wouldn't call it a career, but you're a healer and you've been a healer. And now all of a sudden you're faced with a very serious illness. Stage 4 cancer, for anybody who doesn't understand how they stage it, means that it has spread. It's a wildfire inside our bodies, and it's going through the bloodstreams and doing all kinds of stuff. And I imagine that some people are thinking, how can this happen to you? You're a healer. You've got this great medium ship connection. How does this happen to you? So how would you respond to that, knowing what you know today?

[00:07:02.630] - Debra Martin, Guest

It's interesting you say that because I asked the same question. I went into prayer and said, really? I've been through so much, car accidents, near death experiences. I've done everything that I felt God wanted me to do and to become who I am. So I placed it in my prayers. What is this for? What lesson is this going to bring me? So instead of owning it, it's like, why are you here? Why are you here? Let me learn from you. Let me embrace you. And that's really important because we learn to fight, fight, fight. We're going to fight that cancer. We're going to fight that illness. We're going to fight whatever it is. And I learned that fighting is resistance. And if we embrace our bodies, because our bodies are magnificent, if we embrace the cancer, which I wasn't pleased that I had it, but if I embrace that cancer, I was embracing it with love. So imagine a child that comes to you, right? That's sick. They come in the home, have a fever, and you go, Oh, I'm frustrated. Just go to your room. Or do you just say, Come here, let's get you some medicine, let's lay down, and you comfort and nurture them and you love them.

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And that's what you're doing to yourself. I would oftentimes just hold myself like this, and I would just say, I love you, cancer. I love you because I know you're bringing me something very profound. I know that there's a reason here. I walked through that and it was very difficult. I'm going to take you a few steps back because in January of 2019, I had a vision from Spirit that came to me that said, You need to write this book and you need to get it done now. Okay, why? Because this is your legacy. Now, that was my book, Proof of Miracles. So I started to get panicked. Like, Well, why? But then again, I just pushed it aside and going, Why be panicked? There's no reason, right? Well, then in February, I was having this irritated hemorrhoid. And so I'm like, I'm just going to go to my doctor's. Now, I had seen the doctor back in November for this same hemorrhoid, and they said, We don't like to take hemorrhoids out. It's not cleared up. Just leave it. Sorry about that. The dog's excited.

[00:09:20.420] - Pat Sheveland, Host

I love it. I love it.

[00:09:21.760] - Debra Martin, Guest

So then in February, what happened is I woke up again and I heard, Get it out now. And I heard, Oh, my gosh, they're talking about the hemline. So I made the doctor appointment right away. When I went into the doctor's office, she looked at me like, What's your problem? Why are you back here? I told you we're not going to remove this. So I said, Well, I want it removed. So she said, Well, let me look at it. And she looked at it, it was cleared up. And she's like, Deborah, we don't like to take these out. You're going to be in a lot of pain. And I said, Intuitively, I know I need to. Now, we fought for a good 10 minutes over this. Even when I was bent over the table in a very vulnerable position, she's at the front, leaning over the table saying, I don't want to do this. Are you sure? That's when I trusted spirit. I knew my body better than that doctor. That's a huge message for all of us. Doctors are practicing. They know what their protocols are. They know what they need to do for you, but you know your body better.

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And I knew that this had to come out. So she removed it and she said, Would you like to see it? I said, Yeah. So I looked at it, didn't think too much, but it was really good that I did look at it. I thought, Oh, it just looks dead like a lima bean, right? No life to it. She questioned sending it in to get like buy up, see it. And she's like, No, we'll just do this. And one week later, I got a call when I was driving to get my hair done. And she said, Deborah, where are you? I said, Driving. And she said, Well, could you go back home? I said, No. She said, Could you pull over? And I said, Sure. And she said, I am so sorry. I'm so, so sorry. But this came back cancer, full of cancer. And people asked me, were you angry with her? I can't be because she's human, right? She learned from this. She learned to listen to her patient. And I was learning, too. Now, was I a little upset when she told me, oh, this is not going to be that big of a deal.

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And then when I saw my radiation doctor, he's like, this is going to be a huge deal. And I was like, side, like, hit right in the gut. Are you kidding me? This is what I have to go through? And I had my friend there and she's like, she looked blank and she's like, What are we doing right now? What did we just hear? And it was going to be a six weeks continuous chemo and radiation straight every day. You could have the weekends off. So it was going to be like you are really going to be hit hard. So that's the message I learned out of that is please trust your own gut, trust your own body. Many times we leave the office listening to what they tell us to do, but our guts telling us something different. And how I know this is the spirit, right? Like, look.

[00:12:12.320] - Pat Sheveland, Host

I just so resonate with that. With so many people that I've come in contact with is, your body is so filled with wisdom. And so listen, listen to the messages. And when something is not feeling right, you need to be your own advocate. And like you said, I come from the medical field, and so we all do our best. And we have the knowledge that we have, but that's it. We only have so much knowledge. And then you have, like you said, protocols to go through and that type of thing. So this probably looked very benign.

[00:12:49.700] - Debra Martin, Guest

Oh, it did. And I'm telling you, when you hear that word, my life changed in that moment. I now felt like I was actually going to be traveling to see my daughter. And so I remember just meeting with all the doctors and flying up that same day, walking through the airport was so different than I ever felt before. I'm now wondering, will I ever do this again? Will I ever get to visit my grandkids again? Well, look at that family. They're so happy. Will I ever laugh again? I just felt like I was in this bubble that I couldn't get out of, this heavy, heavy blanket. And it became all the unknowns, right? We have so many unknowns. And what was that causing me? Fear, fear, fear, fear. So now I'm having all this fear, all these unknowns. Is that serving me? It was not. It was weighing me down. So what I had to do was I had to replace that fear with faith, knowing that no matter what, I was going to be okay either way.

[00:13:47.550] - Pat Sheveland, Host

It's funny. I coined the phrase and I just have to share this. This was several years ago. Faith, it's like a faith, hope and love. And so I've coined some phrases, but for faith, it is just so apropos here because for the word faith, for the acronym, it's finding awesome inspiration to heal. And that's it. Isn't that funny? Isn't that crazy?

[00:14:10.220] - Debra Martin, Guest

Yeah, I've never heard that. I love that.

[00:14:12.580] - Pat Sheveland, Host

And that's just exactly what you're talking about. It's just I have to lean into faith. And faith is finding these ways to heal. And also when you were talking about I needed to embrace, because right when you were saying the word embrace, embrace came into my mind because we do want to fight. And you see all, and I'm not saying anything against the people that are wearing their trust. I have done it for my friends with breast cancer and who have died with various kinds of cancer and that we're going to fight for this. And I've done it. I've walked the walks. I've done all of these different things. And a few years ago, it's like, why are we creating a war out of this? It's embracing it. And that's what I learned through my Qigong training and also my spiritual work is exactly what you are sharing with all of us is it's embracing and finding out what's the beauty in it and what are we learning from this and who's learning from this. Sometimes we may go through the challenge. But like you said, your physician learned something so great that she will never, ever, I imagine, ever in her career brush anything off and say, no, no, no.

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She's going to actually take it a step further and listen different out life.

[00:15:30.680] - Debra Martin, Guest

Yes. And people are like, oh, do you want to go after her and all this stuff? It's like, no, she already learned it. And I felt very much at peace with that. And so then you talked about embracing and walking through this. And I remember saying to God, I'm going to embrace this, and I'm going to have the courage to go through this. But I'm telling you, every step there was a little frightened. I was scared. So I figured, okay, we still have to feel. We can ignore that. So I still had to cry. I still had to go through my emotions. And I can remember seeing the radiation machine for the very first time. And when I saw that radiation machine, the first time I was scared. What's this thing going to do to me? It's huge. And so the second day and from that day forward, I decided, no, this was created for me. This is for me. So when I went in, it became my God time. And I learned one day through the machine that cancer, I received a shirt that had a heart on it and it said fighting, right?

[00:16:42.040] - Debra Martin, Guest

Well, I now take that word fighting and I use it as an arm me. What does that mean? I built my army around me. Who was going to support me during this time? And not just supporting me, like making meals and things like that, but really support me by giving me joy. Because if they can come in and bring laughter, that really helps feed the soul. So as I was in the machine, I started thinking, okay, we're going to build this army and we're going to be I actually thought the name of the publishing was going to be Army for Love. And that's what it's all about. You're building your army for love. And so the heart and the fighting, I put it together now as that's your army and that's your love. And so I tweaked it a little bit.

[00:17:34.590] - Pat Sheveland, Host

I like that. An army of angels, actually. That's what I'm saying is like, you're building an army, it's not to fight and hurt or harm. It is a fight to surrounding yourself to lift you up.

[00:17:50.350] - Debra Martin, Guest

It's love. I can tell you, I still did healing sessions until I wasn't able to. But during that process, I learned how my body is really just an instrument and how I was able to remove myself and still allow my body for God to use it for healings. And it was just amazing. I felt so much better being in that healing room with that energy and the connection seemed so pure. And I think it's because what happens is I no longer was going to worry. When I finished all the treatments and now you're going back to work and now you're getting your life back, all of the humanness starts coming out. And we do have our daily worries during the day. We do have things that we have to get done. And I noticed, Wow, what it changed. When I was over there, I was really in this peaceful state. And I'm not saying it wasn't hard, right? I went through a lot of hard, hard days, but I really recognized my connection there as so profound. And I think it's just because I had no worry. And that was another lesson is, why worry?

[00:19:03.680] - Pat Sheveland, Host

Because it's not going to serve us. So there were so many lessons and I write them all in the book. I could go on and on, but I did bless my medicine. I blessed the machine. I blessed the cancer. I had to take 18 cancer pills a day, and I would find a really pretty cup and I would put two in at a time, and I would thank it. Thank you. Thank you. I can remember the first time going, Can I say these words? Because I really sat down and asked God, What should I say? What is going to work for this? So I wrote those words in the book for you to use as well, others. And so when I held that there, I was like, To say thank you to these pills and then digest them, knowing what they're going to do. They became easier and easier because I was embracing them. And do you know that I knew when I was done with those pills, I ended up being done before treatment was over. And I said, My body can't take this anymore. I know my body is out of health. And the doctor said, No, we have to finish this.

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And so they would do blood tests to make sure your platelet count and everything. And that was on a Friday by Monday, when my platelet count came in and I took it that day, they're like, Oh, you can't take it medicine anymore. And so I knew Spirit was still, had my back was working through me, and I was still my advocate of what I was feeling. And our family, they want you to fight. They don't want to lose you. You have to do this. You have to do this. There's a funny chapter in this book. I was told by my doctors not to eat any carbs. None. So there comes to a point where your body just wants something that will be sustainable, that will be thick to hold everything in because you're just losing it all. So there's a chapter called I Want My Bagel. And I can remember laying in bed going, how am I going to present this to my son that I want a bagel today? And I said, okay, so I'm going to start with, I want an egg. And then I thought that it would be really nice, maybe a piece of cheese and some fruit, some berries.

[00:21:13.470] - Debra Martin, Guest

But I would really like my egg on top of a bagel. And I texted that. He's in the other room, I'm texting that. And I come out and he's like, Mom, we need to have a talk. And I know he was doing that. And he even called my other son, and they're talking to me like, they're my parents. You can do this for us. You do not eat the bagel. And I'm crying. I just want the bagel. I don't want these eggs. And so I can remember I was going to email my doctor. She'll listen to me. So I email her and say, this is what's happening. I don't know what you suggest. So that following Monday, we were being seen by the doctor. And I can remember sitting with my son and she's like, now, Deborah, how's your eating going? I said, This carb thing is really hard. I've had enough. My body just can't hold anything in. I need something substantial. And she goes, Well, if you ever feel like you want a bagel, my.

[00:22:14.390] - Debra Martin, Guest

Son s face is looking at me. So when we left, he's like, Just eat what you can at this point. So I said to my son, Well, can you tell the family that? He's like, No, I still don't believe that. And he's a doctor himself in environmental science, but he works with Johns Hopkins. So he's around a lot of people that he was getting advice and said, Yeah, try not to take any sugar in because sugar does feed cancer. And I just knew, again, you don't know my body. I was yelling at my kids, You don't know this. I need this. And they're like, No, you don't. Down to the last infusion, my other son was here. And he's like, You have to have that last infusion. And I said, I can't. If I have that last infusion, I'll die. I really felt the Spirit was telling me. So I'm crying. I can't have that last infusion. And he's like, Mom, you have to. You made it this far. Why wouldn't you do the last one? I said, Well, we get the blood test today and we'll just put it in God's hands and see what happens. I go to the radiation treatment and then the doctor calls her in the car after the radiation.

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And she's like, well, Deborah, we can't do this last infusion. It would be really, really unhealthy for you. This would be scary. So now my son's angry. Well, why would you have that last infusion for her? And so if she doesn't take that last infusion, even though you're saying this is protocol, then what is my mom's chances? She's not going to survive this. He's mad. And I'm like, You need to just trust the process. And that's part of it, too. We have to trust the process and how we're feeling and what we're going through each stage and step of the way. But it was quite the journey. And I write some of the hardships, the funny things, things that were like, what family expects and just laugh at it.

[00:24:06.040] - Pat Sheveland, Host

Well, thankfully, you're here to laugh about it. And you taught your children some really valuable lessons. Sometimes it's not always following the protocol, it's listening to ourselves advocacy keeps coming through my head. It's that being the advocate. And even with our family and our friends, and I'm thinking when I'm working with my grief clients is, being your own advocate and knowing that everybody means well, they love you so much. But if it doesn't resonate for you to do that or do this, it's okay to just say, I love you. But this is the path I'm going to go down. Trust me. Trust me. Trust me.

[00:24:55.150] - Debra Martin, Guest

Everybody's going to go through it differently. And so that's what the doctors have to follow, right? Because they don't know at this stage this is what could happen. And then they watch you and it's really you speaking to them. How do you feel? And so I can remember walking into my radiation doctor and I could barely walk in. The nurses had to hold my arms to walk me in. I can remember sitting there going, I'm not having a good day. This is what I love about this doctor. He walked in and he's like, but you are having a great day. And he'd have a smile on his face. I'm like, I am? I'm crying. And he's like, Yes, because I've seen patients that have been where you are, and you're doing fantastic. And I'm like, Okay, I'm doing fantastic. And it is just that verbiage that changed my mental state. And so he was such a great role model to me. My doctors are... And what's interesting is my son's name is Steven and my daughter's name is Stephanie, and my radiation doctor was Steven and my chemo doctor was Stephanie. So I knew that when I first met them, like, oh, you guys spirit, you're really funny.

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Could you tell me that I'm not in the right space? I can tell you, though, when I first met my radiation doctor, he's like, so, Deborah, tell me a little bit about you. What do you do for a living? I was like, oh, talk about having to share your vulnerabilities. So I did. And he just said, Deborah, I believe that. I believe you're still a healer, but your body, you're human. And as you go through life, no matter if you're a healer or not, you're going to deal with things in life that you're going to have to face. And I knew right then this guy gets it. And so, yeah.

[00:26:45.500] - Pat Sheveland, Host

Well, and I. Think as I think about everything that goes on in our life, for us to be really available and to hold the space for the people that we work with through healing and holding them and helping them because they're the ones that are really taking on and saying, I'm going to do the healing. It's like you're that conduit between God and them to help this process.

[00:27:15.070] - Debra Martin, Guest

My feelings were so profound. I'm telling you, the feedback was like, Wow. And so in the book, my assistant, Valerie writes a chapter on what she witnessed from behind the scenes and just seeing, Wow, look at how powerful our bodies really are. And it showed me how much courage we really do have inside of us.

[00:27:36.470] - Pat Sheveland, Host

Absolutely. And then when you were talking about the verbiage and that type of thing, we all know that we are mostly made of water. We also know that there are studies out there that talks about the impact of words with water. Dr. Emoto and he did all the messages with water. And just clearly, when we're giving ourselves those positive messages and when others around us are giving us those positive messages and thinking those positive messages and having that positive energy just surrounds us, our body is going to respond. It's going to say yes, because our bodies love us and want to embrace all those positive things of joy and health and happiness and courage and all the stuff that we're made of.

[00:28:26.000] - Debra Martin, Guest

Right. In fact, one of the tools that I learned was joy. We are all joy. We have joy within us. But what could bring me joy? Now, I got to the point where I couldn't smell food. I couldn't even have anybody cook in the house. So my neighbor would make the food for us and bring it. And still, sometimes I couldn't. So I was like, Wow, I saw the joy in that. Look at what someone's going to do for me. I can remember not being able to even go to the grocery store. I felt like it's 100 years old. I had to hang on to a cart and I thought, Oh, I could do this. And I realized I couldn't. So where was the joy in that? The joy was I will eventually, but I tried it. I could try it. And then joy, I can remember the joy of going, I can do a little laundry again. Wow, the little things that we take for granted. And so I started to think, okay, well, we need to start, all of us need to start looking at the joy in each day, even when we're having a terrible day.

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We find that one piece of joy because that changes that day around. And so now I walk with the attitude of gratitude. That's my foundation. I think if we can all have that, that's that attitude we're talking about that affirmations and how we feel about ourselves and how life is. The world is really chaotic right now, but we have to say, but we are still at peace and we are still at joy. And so no matter no matter what you're going through, find that piece of joy.

[00:30:02.750] - Pat Sheveland, Host

Absolutely and when you talk about it in the world around us can feel chaotic. And even in our own families or whatever in our jobs. But if we just can drop that little droplet of joy in that water, the ripple effect just starts bringing in everybody else into that because it's that energy. That energy to get the energy, right?

[00:30:25.440] - Debra Martin, Guest

Yes, that's that energy and light. So when I was writing the book, it was coming to the end where I had to go get my PET scan. So how am I going to feel? How am I going to embrace this? Was I going to be nervous? What was I going to do? And I thought, no, I'm going to trust. I'm going to trust that whatever outcome it is, is what God wants this to be. But I felt such at peace during the whole process of loving my cancer. And I'll tell you what I learned from it and what it gave to me so that I could say goodbye to it. But I remember at the PET scan sitting there and they're going to put the dye in your arm and the gentleman goes, so Deborah, her name is Deborah Martin. I said, yes. And you had a cancer? And I go, I love you. And he's like, what did I just say? And I'm like, beaming. I'm just so beaming. And he's like, I said, you said had. You just gave me a message. Yes, yes, yes. So I can remember getting onto the scanner.

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And every time I would go for a pet scan, they would put me on a white blanket. And even when I had my radiation treatments, I would tell the nurses, this is God's white light on me. He's surrounding me and holding me right now. And they loved it. They actually cried the last day going, oh, we're going to miss putting this blanket on you, right? So I can remember going in there, but he placed it on different this time. He placed one this way, and then he rolled one around my head like a halo. And then he had my hands up. So I had my hands up and I'm like, okay, God, I just want to feel this. I want to feel you. This is a beautiful thing. We are going to have victory here and be able to tell everybody. So let's prove it to the world. That's my way I was thinking because I already heard the word hat. Now I go in there and I'm sitting in there really peaceful, quiet, and I feel somebody touch this arm and this arm up here. And all of a sudden it's my parents. And I could cry right now because they go, We've been by your side the entire time.

[00:32:31.540] - Debra Martin, Guest

We've never left you. We love you. And it was such a beautiful, profound experience. And then the last time you're coming out of that machine, my hands are up like this, right? So I'm like, victory, victory, victory. So I go home and I'm feeling positive about that. But Valerie, I call her and tell her my experience. She goes, Deborah, I was in meditation with you and your parents showed me that they were there with you, that one was on your left and one was on your right. And I go, you were right. And so she validated that to me. And it just made it even more profound. So that part of the journey just became like, AHA. And then my doctor didn't wait till I came in the office he called me and said, left me a message. I had gone to the bathroom and I see the message and I'm like, Oh, okay, there's a message here. It's a big call. What am I going to do? And so I'm like, all right, brace yourself. God, these are the words I'm going to hear. You don't know what you're going to hear. So I press the recording and I hear his words going, Well, I didn't want you to wait until you had to see me because I know that you would hold a lot of questions unknown, but you're cancer free.

[00:33:45.680] - Debra Martin, Guest

And I just was like, I danced. It's just in my house. I was like, yeah. Thanking spirit, thinking God. And I went back into prayer and I thanked the cancer. I said, you gave so much to me. And I said, there's two things I learned. I learned to see the beauty in the beast.

[00:34:07.090] - Debra Martin, Guest

And what was that? I do healings for people all over the world. I never knew what these people went through. I was always looking through the door, looking through the glass. Now I'm on that same side. I know what they're going through. So my empathy, my compassion just blew up. I can remember at the beginning saying, Well, I have compassion? Why do I need to go through this? I had no idea. None. I said, Thank you, Cancer, for this lesson. I now can help on such a deeper level to those people that I'm relating to. The empathy, the compassion, the feeling of me wanting to hold their hand just like God was holding mine. I am telling you, that was such a beautiful meaning message that I saw the beauty in the beast that was in me. And I said goodbye to it. And to this day, I just had learned because now it's been over a year, two years in February of next year. And they said, you're done. This will probably never come back. Wow.

[00:35:22.010] - Debra Martin, Guest

So it was here to teach me. It was here for a reason. I didn't know that, but always ask yourself that question, what are you here to teach me? What are you here for? And some of us, there's many people that will still transition, but what did they get from that? Maybe more quality time? There is always a blessing in everything. And I know it's hard to see that. I'm thinking when I heard it, what's the blessing here? Look what I have to go through. Like I said, I use the tools of having goals. I even show the goals. I write them all down for everyone in the book and the prayers and the gratefulness. And yes, I do get raw and say, I'm not perfect. I'm having an awful, awful day because then you know, this isn't just written to be foo foo it. This is real stuff. And I take it serious. I take my healing serious. I take every patient or client that comes to me. And it touched me to my core.

[00:36:33.260] - Pat Sheveland, Host

Well, number one, I have to tell you that you were talking about this white blanket, but what's interesting and I don't know if people will see it when they're watching the video, but I'm listening and looking at you and you have this beautiful white aura that's been covering you the whole time that we've been on this conversation. So I can see it. I don't know if it'll show up on the video, but then you started talking about the white blanket and just started expanding over your head and your shoulders. And it was like, oh, this is just so amazing. I'm getting flushed here just thinking about it. And that's, I think, so important is that sometimes oftentimes we have to go through those challenges in order to really understand, to walk in someone's shoes, to really have that total understanding. And if you had not, we would not have this beautiful book with prayers, tools to say here. And I'm just thinking, man, I'm going to get a bunch of copies of this because anytime I know that someone that I love and care for is going through a challenge such as yours. And like you said, it's not just cancer.

[00:37:48.490] - Pat Sheveland, Host

And it doesn't necessarily have to be a physical challenge. It could be an emotional, psychological, spiritual challenge that's that deep that all of these things that all intersect. And so if you had not done that and gone through the depths and risen like a beautiful Phoenix out of the fires, and you are the beauty within the beast, I mean, right? The Beast was a being you and your beauty just was like, okay, I'm going to love you. I'm going to love you. I'm going to love you. And together now the whole movie of Beauty and the Beast is coming to me now. I'm going to love you. And you just see how beautiful and what's really underneath the Beast.

[00:38:38.040] - Debra Martin, Guest

It's so true. And I think if we can all look at that, right? What is it bringing to us? And what message is it giving to us? And just see it on a whole different level. It can give you peace. And I didn't know until the end. I wasn't seeing the beauty. I was going through all of the hardships. But I do trust that there are blessings in everything. I do write on the back of the book. I don't have it, you have it. But it says, if you need this book, if you would like this book, it gives bullet points of why you would read this. But the real message is that love heals. And we are all one. We are all loved. So we should spread that love. And that to never lose hope, never lose hope. Because when we start to lose hope, that's when we give up and allow that light within us, God's light within us to just give us that strength, that courage that we have more. Like I said, I had more than I ever knew I had. And through this experience, God molded me into the healer that I am today.

[00:39:44.910] - Debra Martin, Guest

So I'm a better healer. That's just how I have to say it. It really has made me that. So I have to think it. And that's the other thing is gratitude. Always give thanks. Thanks for everything. I thank the machine. I thank the doctors. I thank the pills that I was taking. I think it was just always giving gratitude for everything. I thank you that I made it to the bathroom. Seriously. And I'm thankful that other people have it so much worse. And that's what I would think, too. Okay, I'm not the only one here. And other people are even going through more difficult situations than I am. And so that's the other thing I don't want to take away from anyone is that my hardship isn't any bigger than someone else's. It's just that I learned from it and what I'm trying to share with others so that they, too, can apply these and not lose hope.

[00:40:45.430] - Pat Sheveland, Host

That is so beautiful. So hope, can I share you what I made up for hope?

[00:40:51.150] - Debra Martin, Guest

Yes, these tweetable moments we have. These tweetable moments,

[00:40:54.690] - Pat Sheveland, Host

Honoring our purpose every day. Just being in hope, that's what it is about honoring our purpose and having that hope to do that, just honoring our purpose. And your purpose is here to help people heal in so many different ways, to connect with their loved ones. We haven't even talked about, you know, your medium ship capabilities, except what I read in the bio. But there's just so many things that that's what you're here for. And that was honoring your purpose. That hope brought you because it could have been very different. And the only other thing that I wanted to make mention is we talked about, yes, some people will transition. But to me, I tell people, healing occurs on many, many different levels.

[00:41:37.460] - Debra Martin, Guest

And that's what I wrote in Proof of Miracles. So that was the book that I had to hurry and get out. So I did get that out. And I just did a revision because I was such in a hurry to get it out that I didn't even revise it. So I finally did that. But it is. It's about connecting with our loved ones. And we all have that ability. But go back to healing. I believe we all have that ability to heal, too. It's within us. And sometimes we need the doctors to help us. Sometimes we need another person to help get to those root issues or that little bit of extra energy because we don't have it to heal. That's what I'm here for is to be that instrument for you and allow God to use me to give you what you need. Healing is on all levels, emotional, physical and spiritual. It's not just on one. It's limitless, really. Some people come, Well, can this be healed? It's like, Well, with God, anything is possible. But then again, some of my strong sessions, God will tell me, This isn't about you. Then my intention is for miracles for everybody, and then that person passes and like you say, Well, what was the gift there?

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What did they receive from that healing? It could be a message. It could be the gift of time. It could be peace. It could be love. It could be having the divine connection. I received an email from somebody that said, I didn't realize the connection I was receiving that you were giving me now with the relationship with God, that that in itself was priceless. So it's a divine connection because, like I said, I am just the vessel. I have to remove my humanness and allow it to be orchestrated. And I did that with my cancer. I tried to remove my humanness from it and just allow my body to heal.

[00:43:39.260] - Pat Sheveland, Host

Oh, this has just been... I get tingles all over when I talk to you. The energy is just so beautiful. You truly are the real deal. You are absolutely an angel on this Earth. And you're human. And that's what I do.

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You're human, too. So when someone doesn't give you a bagel, you might want to have a temper tantrum. That's okay. Yeah, we're all human. And the emotions, like you said, the anger and the fear and all that. And we need to be able to feel our feelings.

[00:44:13.390] - Debra Martin, Guest

Yes, it's important. Yeah. So to push them away. That's the one thing with healing is we say, feel, you have to feel to heal. So I had to feel these emotions. I had to walk through them. I had to embrace them. But then somebody shared this with me. I thought it was really cute. They said they were grieving and they said, I know I have to feel and I know I have to grieve. But I then decided, well, I'm going to allow it to come in the door. It can be here for 10 minutes. And then after 10 minutes, I say goodbye. So she allowed it, but she didn't allow it to take over. And that's what we need to remember. Especially with grieving, you know that there is no time. There is no limit. It's all individual. But if you can embrace it and give it the time it needs, give yourself the time it needs, but also give yourself that time to nurture and love yourself because it is all about love.

[00:45:13.700] - Pat Sheveland, Host

Yes, it is. You're preaching to the choir sister.

[00:45:18.650] - Debra Martin, Guest

I feel like. Wait, then I should be saying that you should be.

[00:45:22.450] - Pat Sheveland, Host

No, this is what it's all about is it's just like we are so symbiotic that way. And I am just so, so grateful that we got connected through a mutual friend that I've been able to get to know you more. I know that our paths will always stay intersected throughout probably the rest of our lives in the past that we have here. That's what I feel. So I just want everybody to know how to reach you. Just give it to it. I'm going to have it in the show notes. And one last tidbit that you would like to end with that you would like to share with the audience.

[00:46:04.040] - Debra Martin, Guest

Well, you mentioned it. You said you and I are connected, and I believe we are all connected and we are all one. And if we can all put out love for each other and love for ourselves, I think the world will feel that energy. And so that's what we're here to do is to love. Nothing else matters. So remember that. Love yourself, tell yourself to love yourself and just spread the love.

[00:46:29.660] - Pat Sheveland, Host

I'll have all of Deborah's contact information. And if you like what you're hearing here, subscribe to my channel, subscribe to Deborah's channel because I'll have that on there. Please just reach out to her and find her on social media. See what's going on with her because it's amazing stuff. She's got lots of books. She's a wealth of knowledge. And when you start reading these books and what people are sharing their stories about their work with Deborah, like, Holy smokes, it's just absolutely amazing. So miracles occur daily. Just know that miracles occur daily. And as soon as we lift our hearts and open our hearts to that, that's when it just allows it to come in. So I just want to thank you so much, Deborah. I am just so appreciative. I'm so honored that you took the time here to be with me. I'm excited that I'm getting this YouTube channel off the ground. And you're lifting it up and starting it out with me. So I really appreciate that.

[00:47:41.280] - Debra Martin, Guest

I'm so honored. And you know what? Speaking with you is effortless. It's fun. And to be able to share my story, I've only shared it one other time. So this is huge for me. And I want to thank you with so much gratitude and love to you for doing this. And for anybody else that wants to reach out to me, they can go to my website at www.goldenmiracles.Com. And I look forward to hearing from what people think about the book. Absolutely.

[00:48:10.420] - Pat Sheveland, Host

All right. Well, thank you and peace and love to all of you.

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