In Part 2 of our episode on oracy with Jane Hawkins from the NCETM and Kathleen McBride from Voice 21, we explore the impact of the Maths Hubs’ Research and Innovation Work Groups (RIWGs), strategies for implementing oracy in both primary and secondary education, and the importance of oracy for enhancing student learning and engagement. A transcript (PDF) of this episode is available to download. Show notes Taking part in the discussion: Kathleen McBride, Senior Learning and Innovation Lead, Voice 21 Jane Hawkins, Assistant Director for Secondary, NCETM, and Assistant Maths Hub Lead, Jurassic Maths Hub Julia Thomson, Communications Manager, NCETM. Episode chapters 00:06 Welcome and introductions 00:51 Research and Innovation Work Groups (RIWGs) 02:28 Impact of Oracy RIWGs 04:41 Talk strategies 08:25 What does successful oracy look like? 10:58 The teacher’s role 12:18 Different types of talk 18:35 Oracy in secondary education 22:17 Ideas for teachers 25:44 Misconceptions about oracy 28:52 Resources and further reading 30:31 Conclusion. Useful links Listen to Part 1 of this podcast episode All-Party Parliamentary Group Report: Speak for Change (2021) Voice 21 website Voice 21 Talk Tactics and How to develop independent student discussion Voice 21 Talking Point publication (2023) Voice 21 Oracy Benchmarks report (2019) Voice 21 Impact Report (2022-23) NCETM Primary Curriculum Prioritisation materials NCETM Checkpoints for KS3 Interthinking: Putting Talk to Work by Karen Littleton & Neil Mercer (Routledge, 2013) Talking Points: Discussion Activities in the Primary Classroom by Lynn Dawes (Routledge, 2012) Find your local Maths Hub Maths Hubs Research and Innovation Work Groups (RIWGs) Explore previous episodes of the NCETM podcast in our archive The NCETM Maths Podcast on Instagram.