Andy Miller isn’t just brewing beer—he’s brewing a cultural shift. As co-founder and CEO of Heaps Normal, he’s helping Australians drink less without making them feel like outcasts for saying no to booze. In this episode of The Mucky Middle, Andy talks about starting the business with mates during lockdown, crafting a brand that made non-alcoholic beer feel “heaps normal,” and why moving fast and trusting your gut sometimes beats market research. He also opens up about the hard stuff: navigating the messy middle of scaling a purpose-led brand, balancing parenthood with business, and why he's now choosing hikes with the kids over late-night strategy docs. Plus: mindful drinking, California expansion, new product lines, and what he’d tell his younger self (spoiler: just start).