In this episode of The Mounting Block, Oriel and Marissa sit down with Pam Hird — a nutritionist, naturopath, and personal trainer — to unpack the realities of burnout, sleep struggles, and the changes our bodies face as we move through our 40s and 50s.

Pam brings her holistic perspective to the conversation, breaking down how stress impacts our energy, why sleep disturbances become more common, and what’s really going on as we step into the perimenopause era. With practical advice and warm encouragement, she shares tools for balancing hormones, supporting our bodies naturally, and finding sustainable ways to rebuild energy.

This chat is equal parts informative and reassuring, reminding us that while our bodies are shifting, we can thrive with the right support, lifestyle changes, and mindset. If you’ve ever wondered whether the fatigue, restless nights, or sudden shifts you’re experiencing are “just you” — this episode will remind you that you’re not alone, and that there are steps you can take to feel better in this stage of life.