Journalist Patrick McGee joins host Alan Chapell to discuss his book "Apple in China" as Alan draws additional pearls of wisdom from Patrick's work that can be used to guide everyone working in the digital media and regulatory world. From an in-depth discussion of geopolitics, a funny Seinfeld reference and (and a less funny one about Michael Moore) and important lessons for regulatory folks looking to hold your attention.... this is a great discussion. It's also helpful for everyone in the ads space to have a clear sense of Apple's motivations. You can buy Apple in China here - https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Apple-in-China/Patrick-McGee/9781668053379 Takeaways Apple’s design-first philosophy thrived in China’s uniquely flexible manufacturing ecosystem. The partnership between Apple and China turned into a masterclass in innovation — and imitation “China speed” gave Apple unmatched production agility, but also trained future competitors. Apple underestimated how much intellectual property and know-how it was exporting. Patrick McGee frames Apple’s China story as both a business triumph and a geopolitical shift. Privacy remains central to Apple’s brand — but compromises in China tell a more complex story. The book reveals how Apple’s success fueled China’s tech dominance and influenced global policy. Regulatory lessons: even the biggest players can be blinded by their own success. Patrick’s storytelling turns a complex supply chain saga into an engaging, human narrative.Alan Chapell emphasizes that clear storytelling is key to making policy and economics resonate. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:52 The Premise Behind Apple in China 03:10 How Apple’s Design Culture Met China’s Flexibility 05:40 Training the Competition: The Hidden Cost of Outsourcing 08:15 “China Speed” and the Rise of Domestic Tech Rivals 12:20 Apple’s Privacy Paradox in the Chinese Market 15:05 Lessons for Regulators and Global Businesses 17:45 Storytelling as a Tool for Complex Topics 19:30 Reflections on Apple’s Future and Geopolitical Risks 21:00 Supporting Local Bookstores and Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices