In this two-part episode, we explore the evolving edges of creativity through conversations with two visionary minds.

First, we sit down with Barry Sutton, founder of Cera, an AI tool designed specifically for creative thinkers. Cera isn’t about quick answers — it’s about sustained exploration, guided by advisor personas shaped by influential voices from art, philosophy, and culture. Barry shares how Cera is reimagining human-computer dialogue as a space for insight, not just information.

Then, we hear from Hafftka, a celebrated painter whose work lives in the permanent collections of The Met, MoMA, and the British Museum. Now a prominent figure in the crypto art world, Hafftka reflects on his creative process, the role of tradition in digital spaces, and what it means to make enduring work in a fast-moving era.