In this episode, the guys discuss what it really means to love the local church—not through rose-colored glasses, but through the lens of biblical realism. From Acts 14, Paul and Barnabas show us that the church’s beauty lies not in her perfection but in her perseverance.

Together, we explore how being realistic about the church actually deepens our love for her. Paul and his traveling companions strengthened disciples, reminded them that suffering is part of the journey, and appointed elders to help the church grow under God’s direction. That’s realism—and it’s what keeps us rooted in grace and unity today.