Why doesn’t learning always lead to action? In this episode, Vidya sits down with Julie Dirksen - author, designer, and one of the clearest thinkers on behavior change in L&D. They explore why systems thinking can sometimes overwhelm us, how to design for motivation dips, what to do when learners don’t see themselves as part of the problem, and why behavior design needs ethical boundaries. If you’re trying to bridge the knowing-doing gap in your work, this conversation offers sharp insight… and plenty to reflect on.

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliedirksen/

Website: https://usablelearning.com/

Books: https://usablelearning.com/the-books/

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/learnnovators/

Connect with Vidya

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