As I mention in this episode, many years ago my teacher told me that in the course of human evolution we would split, as a species, and walk down two roads. I have heard this sentiment echoed by many other teachers and lineages. It has never felt more true than in the last two years, and I feel that we are watching (and participating in) that split, and it is unfolding in a truly immediate sense: there are those who are walking a path that I would perceive to be committed to (as Stella offers in this episode) a ‘Gaian’ philosophy, and those that propose that Trans-humanism and the products of ‘Science’ are what we should place our absolute faith in. I will expose myself here as being one of the earlier, not the latter, and one who feels that the excessive use of Science without a fulsome acknowledgement of the limitations and functional challenges of that system poses an enormous threat to our survival. I think that our current system negates and oppresses the soul self within each of us, and is being driven by a megalomaniacal and deeply inaccurate perspective on reality. These systems can work together, certainly, but as it stands right now the prevalent ‘Scientific’ view leaves little room for the grander intelligence of the system as a whole and for the processes of the soul self, and that just won’t work. I am deeply grateful and honoured to have Stella Osorojos Eisenstein, healer and sage, as a guest on the podcast for this episode. We explore Stella’s approach to healing and medicine, the necessity of befriending death within healing work, a beautiful demonstration (on me!) of her methods and approach, bringing the soul into medicine work, and much more. I hope you enjoy.