The Loop is a Journalism Value project podcast, brought to you by Reference. We are interviewing the members of this network about key challenges for them, ranging from funding and business models, to community engagement and organizational structures, as we explore what success and sustainability looks like for European independent media today.

On today’s episode we will be talking to Ricardo Esteves Ribeiro, the co-founder of Fumaça, an investigative journalism newsroom that publishes narrative podcasts.

We will explore questions like how radical transparency, as well as horizontal decision making is possible in a newsroom, and how these concepts impact growth and sustainability.