Content Warning: This conversation will touch on topics of kidnapping, terrorism and violence including murder. In 2002, Tamara Pearl learned that her brother, Daniel, had been abducted and murdered by Al-Qaeda in Pakistan. For over twenty years, she has worked with this personal “waking nightmare” as an inquiry into the nature of evil and how individuals and communities create containers of healing to move from fragmentation to wholeness. In this conversation, Rabbi Zac will speak to Tamara about her own healing journey, as a Jewish psychedelic-assisted therapist living in a time of tragedy and confusion, what tools, skills and inner resources we can rely on when we encounter pain, betrayal, and evil in and out of psychedelic consciousness.