S8E7: “Being Present” with Jason De Leon, anthropologist, researcher and professor at UCLA, and award-winning author

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The Jesuit Border Podcast

The Jesuit Post

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Brian Strassburger, SJ, and Joe Nolla, SJ, are two Jesuits based in the diocese of Brownsville, TX, and working in the Rio Grande Valley along the U.S.-Mexico Border. This podcast will share on-the-ground stories and interviews that highlight the tremendous response to the migrant situation from a Catholic perspective.

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S8E7: “Being Present” with Jason De Leon, anthropologist, researcher and professor at UCLA, and award-winning author

The Jesuit Border Podcast

40 minutes 53 seconds

7 months ago

S8E7: “Being Present” with Jason De Leon, anthropologist, researcher and professor at UCLA, and award-winning author

For our final episode of Season 8, we are thrilled to welcome Jason De Leon, anthropologist, researcher and professor at UCLA, and award-winning author. Jason’s recent book, “Soldiers and Kings: Survival and Hope in the World of Human Smuggling” won the 2024 National Book Award for Nonfiction. Jason talks about how conversations with migrants at archaeological digs in central Mexico led to his interest in immigration. He shares stories of people that have stuck with him over the years, including a young man from Ecuador who went missing in the desert along the US-Mexico border. He describes the history of “prevention through deterrence,” a US border policy that weaponizes the desert to inflict harm on migrants in order to try to deter entry. Jason shares how his latest book, “Soldiers and Kings,” came about by just being present to smugglers in Mexico and listening to them as they shared their stories.

Brian and Joe also share stories of being present to people in moments of need. Joe shares the story of Joana, who was stuck in the shelter after legal entry to the US was shut off to vulnerable migrants. As she walked off from the Mass in tears one day, Joe shares the frustration of being unable to help, but the gift that comes from just being present and holding someone as they cry. Brian shares the story of Laura, a young woman from Honduras who has been separated from her mom who has been living in the US for over twenty years. Unable to legally enter, Laura continues to live at the local shelter in northern Mexico, and loves preparing desserts to share. Her mom is undocumented in the US, and lives in fear of deportation after decades of establishing her life here.

The situation of Laura and her mom reflects the reality we encounter as Season 8 comes to a close. Many vulnerable migrants remain stuck at the border, unable to return home and with no legal pathway of entry. And millions of migrants across the US live in fear of imprisonment and deportation, and continue to be criminalized, often just for being migrants.

Thanks for joining us for this season, and blessings on your Holy Week. We’ll be back with a new season in the Fall of 2025.