Anton Rizki Sulaiman & Dr. Krisna Gupta are senior experts at the Center for Indonesian Policy Studies (CIPS), an independent, non-profit think tank based in Jakarta that provides evidence-based policy analysis and practical recommendations to support an open, inclusive, and prosperous Indonesia.Anton Rizki Sulaiman is a specialist in public communication and sustainable development. With a background in corporate communications and stakeholder engagement, he has advised multinational corporations, SOEs, and international organizations on public policy, political risk, and ESG strategies. He holds a master’s degree in corporate communication and marketing from Leeds University Business School and a political science degree from Université Libre de Bruxelles.Dr. Krisna Gupta is an economist focused on international trade, investment policy, and Indonesian manufacturing. He utilizes panel data and quantitative methods to evaluate policy impact. Dr. Gupta earned his Ph.D. from the Crawford School of Public Policy at ANU and holds two master’s degrees in economics. He received the Hadi Soesastro Prize in 2019 for excellence in Indonesian development research.Timestamps
0:00 — Overview of Indonesia’s employment landscape
9:34 — OMBINUS Law, UU Cipta Kerja, government inefficiencies and the problem with minimum wages
23:23 — Informal jobs, Sh*pee and the disappearing medium enterprises
43:03 — Protectionism & how it’s hurting us & explaining the drama about ride-sharing companies
57:47 — The tea about tipping & Gen Zs in the workforce
01:07:03 — Personal accountability & choice in financial management, the lipstick effect
01:16:24 – The grand scheme benefits of unemployment and firms dying