The International Foundation for Integrated Care has defined nine pillars of integrated care based on the evidence accumulated over the last 2 decades.  One of those pillars is Aligned Payments that Promote Integration. This is a difficult subject to understand particularly for policymakers, service managers and health and care professionals working in systems trying to implement integrated care who are not financing and payment experts.  This episode features our Chief Executive Dr Niamh Lennox-Chhugani in conversation with Brendan Walsh, Senior Research Officer at Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) in Ireland. Brendan was previously a Postdoctoral Research Fellow in the School of Health Sciences and the City Health Economics Centre at City, University of London working on a project estimating the cost of cancer care in England.