Steve admits his troubled past selling lizards and the guys talk recruiting, interviewing, and the state of HR with Melissa Musgrave.  Melissa shares her experience "recruiting Jesus" and some other fun stories.  The guys take a few minutes and discuss the assassination of Charlie Kirk.  
Melissa believes people are the capital, and growth is the return.  Founder of Melissa Musgrave People Collective, where she helps leaders, professionals, and organizations unlock clarity, confidence, and sustainable growth. With over 20 years in HR strategy and leadership—including as Chief People Officer for an aerospace startup and Head of Employment at Airbus Americas—she knows what it takes to scale teams, build resilient cultures, and deliver business outcomes through people.  My career has spanned hiring 10,000+ professionals, leading high-growth organizations through scale-up and transformation, and guiding executives at critical leadership inflection points. She partners with leaders navigating career transitions, burnout recovery, or next-level growth, teams building trust, alignment, and performance, and organizations scaling sustainably through HR strategy and fractional leadership

Learn more about Melissa at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissamusgrave/ 
Learn more about Tony "Two Weeks' Notice" Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/ 
Learn about Steven "Big Deal" Smith: at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/