After October 7 and the war in Gaza, the world’s discourse became more polarized than ever. But amid the devastation, Maoz Inon—an Israeli peace activist who lost his parents in the Hamas attack—and Aziz Abu Sarah—a Palestinian activist who lost his brother to the conflict—are refusing to let violence define the future.

In this episode, we talk about grief, identity, and what it really takes to break the cycle of hate. How do you push for peace when everything around you is telling you it’s impossible?

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00:00 Introduction

01:34 Maoz on recognizing Palestinian narratives

04:43 Aziz on recognizing Israeli narratives

09:50 October 7

11:58 How did Maoz and Aziz meet

15:40 Aziz on growing up under occupation

21:05 Aziz reaches out to Maoz after Oct. 7

25:50 The desire for revenge

29:00 Aziz on the war in Gaza

35:17 Maoz and Aziz on pushback

41:00 Plan for peace by 2030

46:30 Building Israeli political will

49:09 Building Palestinian political will

55:00 What can people do?

57:55 Vision for future Israel and Palestine

59:05 Timour Gregory closing thoughts