In this conversation, Kevin Crenshaw, Brandon K, and Andrew Newton explore the profound differences between following Jesus and adhering to traditional religious practices. They discuss the essence of a personal relationship with Christ, the transformative power of the Holy Spirit, and the journey of faith that transcends mere belief. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of understanding spirituality beyond dogma, focusing on the mystical union with God and the experiential nature of faith. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the intersection of spirituality, personal transformation, and the nature of their relationship with God. They explore themes such as the importance of somatics in understanding spiritual experiences, the significance of desires of the heart, and the transformative journey of faith. The discussion emphasizes the shift from a religious mindset to a more personal relationship with God, highlighting the role of service, love, and co-creation in spiritual growth. Ultimately, they advocate for a deeper understanding of righteousness and the liberation that comes from recognizing one's inherent worth as a beloved child of God.