What is a learning health care system, and how close are we to achieving it? According to Dr. Marc Berger, we have a long way to go, but there’s plenty of cause for optimism. Berger is a physician, scientist and researcher who spent much of his career in clinical and outcomes research in the pharmaceutical industry.

Now semiretired and consulting, Berger recently joined host Alex Maiersperger on the podcast. He explained that a true learning health care system removes the barriers between research and patient care. This goal requires digitization and integration of all health care data in a responsible way to better inform decision making, and it will need computing and analysis power the world has yet to master. It’s a big task, but Berger’s message is clear: If we continue to make progress, stay humble about what we don’t yet know and are kind to one another, we’ll get there.