FILL OUT THE SURVEY BY CLICKING HERE Welcome back to The Gwart Show! Today, Doug Colkitt, co-founder of Fogo and Ambient Finance joins us to talk about building the fastest Solana-based blockchain for trading. Doug explains why order books are winning over AMMs, how Fogo's 21-validator set enables 40ms blocks, and why verifiability matters more than full decentralization for perp DEXs. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:13 Doug history 02:28 What is Fogo? 02:53 Why not L2? 06:29 Ambient perps 09:07 Are blockchains the right database? 10:00 Why DEX at all? 12:32 Composability as an unlock? 16:17 AMMs 19:18 Decentralization doesn't matter 24:19 Problems with perps on orderbooks 25:51 Fogo vs Hyperliquid 27:35 Ellipsis Labs 29:35 MEV & flashloans 32:42 Tragedy of the commons 35:00 MEV of Perp DEX 37:44 Opportunities for innovation 41:22 Coinbase launching Perps 44:24 Is no KYC an unloack? 46:24 Verifiability 49:00 Liquidity injection 51:41 24/7 markets 52:36 Perp-ify THE WORLD! 54:05 Zero Day Futures 55:08 Ambient Perps elevator pitch 58:10 Gold oracle price origin 👋 Enjoy the clip? Click below to listen on a podcasting app! Apple http://tiny.cc/e7wuwz Spotify https://tinyurl.com/aj3ymv6h RSS http://tiny.cc/wbwuwz YouTube https://tinyurl.com/4kwhu4s7 👋 The Gwart Show is proudly presented by Ellipsis Labs! Ellipsis Labs is building foundational products in DeFi. Their first product @PhoenixTrade is the leading orderbook DEX on Solana. The team is growing—visit ellipsislabs.xyz for engineering opportunities. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices