In this episode, Joe and Triple M explore a new conversational format for their podcast, reflecting on recent tragic events and their implications. They delve into the nature of terrorism, the complexities of defining it, and the legal ramifications surrounding charges. The discussion also touches on the exploitation of prison labor and the economic systems that perpetuate inequality, drawing parallels to historical forms of servitude. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complex issues surrounding addiction, incarceration, and the prison system. They discuss the cycle of addiction that leads individuals into the criminal justice system, the profit motives behind private prisons, and the controversial nature of pardons and commutations. The conversation also touches on the death penalty, the need for rehabilitation over punishment, and the differing approaches to criminal justice in various countries. Additionally, they explore the intersection of homelessness and addiction, the political fissures regarding immigration policy, and the implications of political promises.