I found this conversation and podcast extremely challenging. Covid-19 has separated me from my guests, the internet strength has meant we talk over Skype with the camera off, which keeps a distance between us. This conversation was different; it was beyond me, it was difficult to digest, I was stunned for words, I had a good internet connection so we used our cameras, I choked up when I could see Mandy's eye tear up as she recounted those moments that have left her scarred... This is a story of courage, hardship beyond comprehension and a resolve a strength of will to overcome. Listen if you dare.