In this video, Geoff White, host of BBC Podcast 'Lazarus Heist', explores the hidden world of cyber defense and uncover how governments, private companies, and security agencies work together to track down some of the world’s most sophisticated hackers. While we often hear about massive cyberattacks and stolen millions, this conversation dives deep into the lesser-known side of the story — how these criminals are traced, caught, and exposed.From the SolarWinds hack, allegedly orchestrated by Russian hackers, to state-sponsored cyberattacks targeting private companies, he discusses how the lines between government operations and private tech firms are increasingly blurring. Today, big tech companies like Microsoft and Starlink often play roles as significant as governments themselves, supporting global defense strategies — similar to how they assisted Ukraine during the ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict.We also discuss the covert battles happening behind the scenes, where espionage, counter-hacks, and intelligence operations unfold beyond public visibility. While countries like the US, UK, India, and Russia constantly engage in cyber warfare, most of these operations remain classified and never reach the headlines. Even in high-profile cases like North Korea’s alleged hacks, accusations rarely make it to court, leaving many questions unanswered about how these investigations actually unfold.This video unpacks the methods, partnerships, and challenges behind cyber defense, revealing how public and private forces combine to protect digital infrastructure in a world where attacks are constant, global, and evolving.If you’re interested in cybersecurity, digital warfare, or the secretive world of global hacking, this is a must-watch.