Sometimes wisdom doesn’t come from grandpas alone. In this moving conversation, Rivers sits down with Mike Matthews to hear the extraordinary story of his grandmother, Eileen — a woman whose quiet presence, deep listening, and love created powerful family connections that rippled far beyond her own family. From holiday visits to six years (& beyond) of the famous “Grandma Stand” in New York City, Eileen transformed strangers’ lives with empathy, vulnerability, and the gift of listening and understanding. This is a conversation about how grandparents — grandmas and grandpas alike — can embrace presence over perfection, and how one voice of love can inspire intimacy, healing, and hope. 👉 Whether you’re a grandparent, parent, or grandchild, this episode is a reminder: sometimes the most powerful gift is simply to sit, listen, and say, “Tell me more.” Follow the adventures of the Grandma Stand and the Grandmothers on rotation on Instagram @grandmastand