In this heartfelt episode of The Germinate Podcast, host Joe Sampson sits down with former University of Iowa basketball star and current faith-driven entrepreneur Al Lorenzen. Together, they explore the often-overlooked spiritual cost of worldly success and how true fulfillment only comes through a relationship with Jesus.

From NCAA tournaments to running a ranch-based equine therapy nonprofit, Al reflects on his personal journey from the “top of the mountain” to spiritual emptiness, and ultimately to a meaningful life centered around faith, family, and servant leadership.

The conversation also delves into the pressures of parenting athletes, the cultural shift toward victim mentality, the impact of Charlie Kirk’s passing, and the importance of standing firm in truth during challenging times.

Whether you're a leader, parent, entrepreneur, or just navigating life’s valleys, this episode is a reminder that you’re never truly winning until you're grounded in something greater than yourself.