This week we reach into the archives to bring you the first ever time Leslie interviewed Marianne on her podcast Into the Garden with Leslie. You can tell by the stilted convo and awkward silences that we didn't really hit it off, and we've been faking it ever since.

Actually, we hit it off so well that as an apt preview of what was to come, we go completely off of whatever topic Leslie had planned and roam all over the garden.

Marianne and Leslie are taking a scheduled summer break, so there are no notes on Substack that correspond to this episode, and no video version either.

We do this because we know that absence makes the heart grow fonder. Back soon!