In this special collaboration episode, I sat down with my friend, mentor, and fellow therapist-podcaster Sony Perlman for a long, soulful, and expansive conversation—recorded at Sony’s studio and released on both of our platforms.

We explored everything from the challenges of podcasting with purpose to what it means to show up authentically—as therapists, as creatives, and as people navigating a noisy world. We touched on community, leadership, emotional safety, and the delicate art of self-expression. Along the way, we also dove into some of our favorite topics—like marketing in private practice, building something meaningful, and the deep philosophical questions behind meditation, psychedelics, and even the mystery of consciousness itself.

This episode is honest, unfiltered, and packed with moments of insight, vulnerability, humor, and depth. If you’ve ever wondered what it’s like when two therapists get real about the work, the mission, and the mess of being human—this one’s for you.

And make sure to check out Sony’s podcast Brainstorm with Sony Perlman for more incredible conversations like this.

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