In this episode, Br. Jay talks with author and contemplative Carl McColman about his winding spiritual journey, from Lutheran roots and pagan circles to his Roman Catholicism with Buddhist insights and becoming a lay Cistercian.

They explore the meaning of mysticism, the value of interfaith wisdom, the tension between institutions and inner experience, and the healing power of silence and story. Carl also shares insights from his newest book, Read the Bible Like a Mystic, and opens up about his evolving reflections on gender and spirituality.

If you’ve ever felt both at home and at odds with religion, or if you’re curious about the contemplative path, this conversation offers depth, warmth, and a gentle invitation to the mystery.About our Guest: Carl McColman a spiritual director, author, retreat leader, and speaker on mystical spirituality and contemplative living. His books include Read the Bible Like a Mystic, The New Big Book of Christian Mysticism, Eternal Heart, and Unteachable Lessons. He is one of the co-hosts of the Encountering Silence podcast, and maintains a Substack newsletter (www.anamchara.net) and a blog (www.anamchara.com). Carl’s approach to contemplation and mysticism is joyful, inclusive and expansive; with a dedication to exploring the common ground between faith traditions, with a particular interest in the connecting points between Christian, Buddhist and Pagan wisdom. Carl lives with his wife, artist Fran McColman, in Clarkston, Georgia, near Atlanta.