In this second half of their conversation, the pileated woodpecker follows producer Rick White and David James Duncan to the banks of the Bitterroot River. They meander and dip into discussion of great teachers, the spiritual life of literary characters, the endeavor to illuminate truth, and David's new novel as an "asshole free zone." David reads his ethereal essay, "Cherish This Ecstasy," and birds of all sorts - ravens, Canada geese, and vultures among them - visit Rick and David during their talk. As a bonus - and as an antidote to the gravity of quotidian life - on this episode of the Podcast, we hear David James Duncan make loon, raven, and falcon sounds. It doesn't get much better than that.