Ever wonder what it really takes to make a podcast about fraud? Join Jordan as he sits down with Doriel Abrahams from "What the Fraud?!" and Forter!  They're not just talking about catching bad guys; they're spilling the beans on the wild ride of producing content. From unexpected challenges to the gear that makes it happen (think fancy mics and learning audio the hard way!), they're sharing their behind-the-scenes secrets. Get ready for laughs, honest talk about the podcasting hustle, and a slightly terrifying prediction about the future of ID verification! Tune in to hear how these two navigate the world of fraud, one episode at a time. A special thank you to our sponsor, Disputed (⁠www.disputed.ai⁠)! Their innovative solutions are helping businesses fight chargebacks more intelligently and we appreciate their partnership in bringing this episode to you. Please give their site a visit and checkout their awesome solution!