In this conversation, Matthew and Phil explore the themes of reconciliation, discipleship, and the role of the church in fostering a community that embodies the teachings of Jesus. They discuss the importance of abiding in Christ, the ongoing journey of reconciliation, and the need for systemic change within the church and society. The dialogue emphasises that true unity goes beyond mere coexistence and calls for a deeper, shared life among believers. Ultimately, they highlight the revolutionary nature of the church as a transformative presence in the world. To get Phil's books you can FOLLOW THIS LINK. TAKEAWAYS Reconciliation is rooted in a deep relationship with Jesus. The ministry of reconciliation is an ongoing journey. Activism without abiding can lead to more chaos. Community is where reconciliation practices are learned. The church's role is to be a systemic change agent. True unity is about shared life, not just being in the same room. The church is a revolutionary presence in society. The ministry of reconciliation has no expiration date. KEYWORDS reconciliation, discipleship, community, abiding, ministry, church, activism, unity, systemic change, Jesus